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Post by Synonym on Jun 22, 2011 22:02:30 GMT
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Post by jean on Jun 22, 2011 22:23:24 GMT
Reminds me of this.Both make an unnecessary reference to the colour of someone's skin. Insensitive perhaps, hardly racist.
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Post by arealfarmer on Jun 22, 2011 22:24:59 GMT
Funny ... .and factual . Some people dont have enough to worry about .
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Post by pippop on Jun 22, 2011 22:37:14 GMT
Reminds me of this.Both make an unnecessary reference to the colour of someone's skin. Insensitive perhaps, hardly racist. I don't think they do really.
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Post by aquatic on Jun 22, 2011 22:48:17 GMT
Reminds me of Jim Davidson. He says he's not racist, never has been. I doubt Chris Evans is racist; but he's occasionally daft.
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Post by arealfarmer on Jun 22, 2011 22:50:33 GMT
Reminds me of this.Both make an unnecessary reference to the colour of someone's skin. Insensitive perhaps, hardly racist. But it doesn't Jean ......... It calls her a diva , which she clearly is . And .............. The chocolate wasn't dark was it ? It was milk chocolate !!
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Post by aquatic on Jun 22, 2011 23:10:14 GMT
I’ve been told that only 3% of Brits are pure white.
If a black DJ/comedian said the same thing (mutatis mutandis, as it were) to a pure-white or whitish person (as Chris E said to a black or blackish person), would there be an uproar? Of course there would!
But it would be of an altogether different nature and order.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 23, 2011 5:29:52 GMT
It was a joke, a quip. Like a reference to a black cat in a cellar, for goodness sake! I have black friends and I can assure you they would not have been offended. They would have laughed. And I doubt VERY much they would have been offended if anyone mistook their nation of origin.
There is a proxy racial offense industry, alas, built upon PC. Jean betrays she is part of it with the word "unnecessary" reference to colour.
ALL jokes are "unnecessary", jean. Get a sense of humour, perhaps?
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Post by jean on Jun 23, 2011 6:49:07 GMT
If a black DJ/comedian said the same thing ( mutatis mutandis, as it were) to a pure-white or whitish person... They never would though, would they? Because white is the default skin colour here, it is never remarkable, and never something that anyone makes jokes about. I don't think my black friends would be offended, but I don't think they'd find it particularly funny, either. (There is no objective standard you can apply to prove that something's funny, and thereby prove that anyone who doesn't find it funny lacks a sense of humour. Perhaps they just expect better jokes.)
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Post by jean on Jun 23, 2011 7:30:19 GMT
But it doesn't Jean ......... It calls her a diva , which she clearly is . I think both references were intended - it's disingenuous to pretend otherwise. And so exactly the same colour as NC's skin! (If I were NC, what would offend me would be that it's such lousy chocolate.)
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Post by Joe K on Jun 23, 2011 8:28:43 GMT
Well, the 'hint of personalisation' kicked in pretty much where we would expect it to. And it was as unnecessary as Evan's remark, given that no-one has labelled him a racist for it. The 'PC' dog isn't barking. Goodstead is right, though, Jean. There were no references to colour. That doesn't mean we shouldn't expect a broadcaster who's been doing the job as long as Chris Evans to have a little internal dialogue going, 'Should I quip about not being able to see this Black woman in the dark? Nah, probably not...' Moyles, perhaps, but not Evans. It also doesn't mean that Bliss ad wasn't one of the stupidest idea for an advertising campaign imaginable. It could easily have raised a laugh on 'Carrott's Commercial Breakdown', because most people would recognise its inherent naffness. Does this piece of 'candy', as the Americans would call it, throw mobile phones at assistants' heads? No, the only 'clunk' sound came from the comparison. It may be, of course, that Evans immediately realised he'd said something that, rightly or wrongly, the tabloids would have a field day with, and quickly covered himself with a 'That didn't come out quite as I'd intended', or similar, but you can bet no-one would mention that part if he did...
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Post by jean on Jun 23, 2011 9:05:13 GMT
Goodstead is right, though, Jean. There were no references to colour. Actually I was not quite sure what goodstead was saying - but I thought s/he was questioning my use of necessary. There's no explicit reference to colour in what Evans said, true, but the joke depends on the fact that Dr Aderin-Pocock is black, so the reference it there implicitly. It is quite true that (as the marchesa says) no joke is necessary. So I haven't said anything useful if that's what I meant. But it's also true that the reference to colour was necessary to that particular joke, which couldn't have existed without it, so if that's what I meant, it's not quite right, either. (I should have taken more care with my choice of words before dashing off a reply.) It just wasn't much of a joke. (My use of 'insensitive' probably needs examining , too.)
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Post by arealfarmer on Jun 23, 2011 9:24:05 GMT
If a black DJ/comedian said the same thing ( mutatis mutandis, as it were) to a pure-white or whitish person... They never would though, would they? Because white is the default skin colour here, it is never remarkable, and never something that anyone makes jokes about. I don't think my black friends would be offended, but I don't think they'd find it particularly funny, either. (There is no objective standard you can apply to prove that something's funny, and thereby prove that anyone who doesn't find it funny lacks a sense of humour. Perhaps they just expect better jokes.) But they couldn't could they ? Its the darkness , of skin colour and of unlit dark surroundings that makes the comment work . Why anyone would object to this is a mystery . Some people insist on being offended where no offence is possible nor intended . If the black guest had said to Evans oooo I lost you there for a minute - your red hair against that red background ...... everyone would have rightly laughed and no-one would have complained .
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Post by pippa on Jun 23, 2011 9:29:10 GMT
would he have been offended if she'd called him carrot top? he might have retorted "not that lame old joke, again".
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Post by pippa on Jun 23, 2011 9:42:23 GMT
oh-oh..... didn't think to add inverted commas, or should i say single inverted commas to the word carrot top. oh dear me i'm all in a fluster, should they be double or single? should i have included them (single or double) in the line above as well ? will admin whip my ass, and censor this post and my previous one too - quandaries and questions???
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