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Post by iamspecial on Dec 17, 2009 20:27:42 GMT
You won't catch me insisting on a "logic" that is in fact an absurdity. I hope I have more sense. Nothing logical about MR's reasoning - just (common?) sense ...............hers
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 17, 2009 20:36:15 GMT
Of course I can, dozey!
One deals with stuff that is problematic not the stuff which is harmless, jean. Muslim separatism is harmful to society as a whole. THEREFORE, DO NOTHING THAT ENCOURAGES IT.
What idiocies you politically correct multiculturalists get yourselves into, I declare!
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Post by Jade on Dec 21, 2009 11:18:28 GMT
of course you can call for that - but not by dint of the religion
what you could do is call for an end to all state funding for any school that:
Is invidious
Worsens an already declining situation (in reference to extremist terrorism)
You would have to define precisely what you meant of course. Perhaps that could look like:
No school will be in receipt of state funding that:
Counsels young people to kill English (UK?) citizens Supports financially any known terrorist organisation Progresses any student to known terrorist training establishments Promotes the view that a given set of beliefs that run counter to the rule of UK / English law are paramount over that law Actively promotes discrimination against women in their access to equal treatment (that might close a few RC schools!)
then you could train an inspectorate, fund their visits, hope to catch them in the act and pay for the judicial reviews that would undoubtedly follow
Unless you can think of a better way that permits faith based schools to continue in delivering good quality education that does not run counter to the national good?
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Post by Jade on Dec 21, 2009 12:34:53 GMT
I am the most discriminating person you will find, marchesa.
and because of that I will avoid like the plague any actions that demonstrate a thoughtless tyranny.
So your answer is to refuse all funding for all schools that could be classed as "Muslim" schools? Because the current group of people causing mayhem on the planet are Muslims?
You see you need more than a rabid hatred of a type to go in causing harm and trouble.
I might fully agree with you that to teach abhorrent views such as are found in Islam are quite beyond the pale and to be despised, and absolutely NOT state funded. But the way to do that is not to say that because such views are found in Islam one must remocve all support for everything that is islamic, even those activities that are proven to be beneficial.
You just have to up the game on sophistication and rationality, and provide a set of rules that are tolerable and fair, and which are fit for purpose when it comes to acheiving your aim
Geddit, Rosa?
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 21, 2009 12:40:20 GMT
Why are you doing such contortions to avoid the criticism of "discrimination", Daze? One discriminates against that which is bad. Not against that which is harmless.
Geddit, Daze?
I suppose the "Inspectorate" you propose would be staffed and run by people just like you, Dayzzee? More jobs for the Girlzz, as if we hadn't enough jobsworths already.
By the way, are you posting here at the tax-payer's expense or in your own time?
Or have you written into your "remit" the constant repetition of PC/multicultural ideology on any messageboard you fancy?
If it's not perfectly clear, DAYZZEE, I'm asking "are you getting remuneration for your messageboard activity, which from your previous remarks, I understand to be quite phenomenal?" Is monitoring and intervening in messageboard discussions just another income flow into the Dayzzee household?
Sorree to be so suspicious, Dayzzee, It's just that I have recently become aware, in the course of my climate research, of precisely this sort of paid participation in matters of public concern by tax-payer funded "professional" propagandists.
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Post by Jade on Dec 21, 2009 13:24:35 GMT
As I have said upthread, and you have ignored, I have no issue with being discriminatory as long as that discrimination is not about being stupidly racist.
I believe I am a very discriminating woman.
However what you propose is a stupid reaction, blunt and blind and which would cause far more harm than good. I try and put forward how a regime might work ion order to carry forward your intent (stop all funding of anti-British Muslim activity) in a society that is trying to be fair and tolerant. Yes it would need an army of regulators, and that is something I hoped you would see and recognise as a possible barrier to the activity you yourself want to happen.
I am amazed that you cannot see in my post the clear message that such an army of inspectors would not present value for money to the taxpayer.
I suppose you would be fine with a mob, brandishing pitchforks and torches. Blunt and blind, as well as stupid.
I wonder if you could use the name I have presented under, as I have asked you to do?
And of course to resist trying to get at me in such a bullying way. I have no wish to discuss with you or anyone ele my personal circumstances, and you have no right, and indeed are not right, to make such sweeping assumptions.
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Post by jean on Dec 21, 2009 13:55:54 GMT
Marchesa, if you cannot stop being so rude and so personal in your rudeness, this board will die (if it hasn't already).
I've no wish to debate anything with you when you're in that mood.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 21, 2009 14:45:07 GMT
I wonder if YOU could remove the ghastly, intrusive, distracting, dumbed down, galloping reindeer, as I asked YOU to, Dayzzee.
But why not answer the questions, Dayzzee, are your postings at the tax-payers expense?
Why would you wish to hide your ID, anyway? Why should I conspire with you to conceal your ID?
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Post by Jade on Dec 21, 2009 14:50:01 GMT
As I have said, I will not discuss my personal circumstances
And as I have als said elsewhere, I will not take direction from you or anyone else in my posting
Do give it up.
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