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Post by pippop on Jan 4, 2012 15:19:00 GMT
"have I just imagined that?" Yes, you have imagined it, pippop. No informed sceptic has ever denied the world has warmed slightly since the Little Ice Age. What we deny is that the cause is understood with any certainty. CO2 may have a trivial part to play. It may have no part at all. It is highly unlikely to be the main influence on the last half century's temperature changes. It's not worth worrying your pretty little head about any more! I thought that we had an understanding; You refrained from making belittling remarks about me and I in turn would stop swearing. Unfortunately you just can't help yourself can you? My response therefore to your comment above is - go fuck yourself.
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Post by pippop on Jan 4, 2012 15:22:23 GMT
O and because Marchesarosa assumes that I am female:
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 4, 2012 16:03:29 GMT
You are off-topic and on your hobby-horse again, pippop.
Can't you keep to the subject as I try to?
This thread is about climate, NOT your perennial obssession with me.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 13, 2012 17:01:35 GMT
Ooops! However did the world manage to get above the sea ice average for 1979 to 2008?
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Post by visitor on Jan 13, 2012 18:54:57 GMT
And a 'skeptic' shows their true denier self. You claim that you recognise global warming but not that it is anthropogenic and then you cherry pick to try to show no global ice loss. I can cherry pick to show that some four year olds are taller than some six year olds - doesn't mean that all four year olds are taller than all six year olds. Anyone can see from the graphs that you have posted that Arctic ice area is on a severe downward slope. Antarctic ice has not yet shown this because it is losing mass, i.e. getting thinner. www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-070Marchesarosa, you are clearly a denier of science and a cherry picker of data - you have revealed your true colours (or your ignorance of the difference between area and mass).
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 14, 2012 12:40:52 GMT
Suggest you take this up with Cryosphere Today at the University of Illinois, visitrix.
They are comparing like with like - change in Arctic sea ice area with change in Antarctic sea ice area.
No-one knows the "mass" of total Antarcic ice whereas the area of sea ice at both poles IS actually measurable.
YOU opened the thread and decided the discussion would be about sea ice. Tough.
The "cherry-picking" was in your opening post when you selected ARCTIC sea ice variation alone whilst blithely ignoring what is happening at the pole at the other end of the world.
I am most certainly a denier of shoddy climatological hypotheses such as you peddle and climate alarmism in general.
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Post by pippa on Jan 16, 2012 22:57:26 GMT
btw, marchesa do you know you can resize an image if it is too wide for the page? yours is 1122 x 912 so you could scale it down to whatever size you want - for instance: [ img width=700 height=569 ]photo-url[ /img ] (without the spaces either side within each set of brackets). voila - not too wide
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Post by aquatic on Jan 16, 2012 23:52:44 GMT
Don't encourage her, pippa.
You're losing me one of my excuses for not reading her diatribes.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 17, 2012 13:39:28 GMT
No, I did not know how to do this, pippa, otherwise I would have done it. I don't like over-large images any more than the next person.
Finally worked it out, thank, pippa! Now I can go back and reduce all the others!
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Post by pippa on Jan 19, 2012 0:32:26 GMT
well done - it's a handy thing to know.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 21, 2012 16:53:56 GMT
Better to light a candle than curse the darkness, eh? Or engage in "size of Wales" comparisons! Below is the full duration of the NSIDC SEA ice data 1978 to 2012. From 2.8 gb of data. The graphs of the Arctic and Antarctic are plotted on equal grid scales having a pixel resolution of 25km. The satellite ice data comes from the NSIDC Sea Ice Concentrations as collected from the Nimbus-7 SMMR and DMSP SSM/I Passive Microwave systems. thanks to Jeff Condon here noconsensus.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/full-length-nsidc-sea-ice-data/
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 27, 2012 19:47:12 GMT
Alaska On The RocksPosted on January 27, 2012 by Willis Eschenbach Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach wattsupwiththat.com/2012/01/27/alaska-on-the-rocks/#more-55531From the “weather is not climate” department, the sea ice is in early and thick in Alaska. It makes me shiver just to look at the picture. They had to use an icebreaker to get fuel to Nome. Figure 1. The Bering Sea region in Alaska. Anchorage is at the upper right. The Aleutian peninsula and chain runs down to the lower left. Ice covers all of Bristol Bay, and extends well out from the shore to the west. Photo Source I fished commercially up there, in the Bering Sea. I’ve lived in a container in the Peter Pan Cannery boatyard in Dillingham, and gill netted for the noble salmon in Bristol Bay, drunk too much and worked it off laughing in a blazing hot steam bath with some Yupik guys trying to roast me out the door by cranking up the heat. I’ve made great money in driving sleet arguing with the herring regarding the eventual fate of their roe in Togiak, and seen the walrus hauled ashore in their thousands on Round Island. Those fisheries kill a man or two a year, plus the usual crushed hands and feet and the like. But I haven’t fished the January Bering Sea crab fishery, the one made famous as “The Deadliest Catch”. Figure 1 shows why I don’t do that. The Bering Sea ice this year is in early, and it’s thick. Not only that, it’s moving south fast. The crab fleet has some $8 million dollars of gear in the water, and the ice is moving south at twenty miles an hour. Usually ice comes in later and thinner, and moves south at three miles an hour. Boats are tied up to the Dutch Harbor docks. At St. Paul Island, out of the photo to the left, the crab boats usually sell their loads to the processor boats. It is also totally iced in. Millions of dollars have already been sunk into moving the crab boats and the processor boats and the crab pots to Dutch. If this cold continues, the season will likely be a total bust. My point in this post? Awe, mostly, at the damaging power of cold. As a seaman, cold holds many more terrors than heat. When enough ice builds up on a boat’s superstructure, it rolls over and men die. The sun can’t do that. The Titanic wasn’t sunk by a heat wave. The thing about ice? You can’t do a dang thing about it. You can’t blow up a glacier, or an ice sheet like you see in the Bering Sea above. You can’t melt it. The biggest, most powerful icebreaker can’t break through more than a few feet of it. When the ice moves in, the game is over. Now me, I’m a tropical boy. My feeling is that well-behaved ice sits peacefully in my margarita glass, making those lovely cold drips run down the outside, and giving me a brain freeze when I hold the glass to my forehead. But when ice jumps out of my glass and starts running all around painting the landscape white and solidifying the ocean and falling on my head and freezing my … begonias, well, at that point the fun’s over. I call that “water behaving badly”. And if you want to worry about a climate related occurrence, I certainly wouldn’t worry about the dread Thermageddon™, the long-foretold and ever-receding premature heat-death of civilization. I’d worry about water behaving badly … Best of the cold to my friends in Alaska, stay safe on the ocean, and my regards to all, w
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Post by marchesarosa on Feb 3, 2012 16:07:32 GMT
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