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[jean]

Jun 13, 2012 18:49:34 GMT marchesarosa said:

One hopes that the introduction of vast numbers of muslims into the UK is not going to introduce here lines of social fracture like those of benighted locations abroad.

I'd like to know what pippa thinks about this.

But I don't suppose I'm going to find out.

[marchesarosa]

Jean, you are a prime example of someone whose raison d'être is to foment disputes amongst individuals rather than to enlighten readers by contributing to a rational discussion of subject matter.

I would be surprised if Pippa DID fall for your ploy.

But since I was accused of somehow misrepresenting pippop's view of the "arab spring" I'm still waiting for what his REAL view actually is. Or does it vary according to who s/he is trying to contradict?

[jean]

Jun 14, 2012 11:37:24 GMT marchesarosa said:

Jean, you are a prime example of someone whose raison d'être is to foment disputes amongst individuals rather than to enlighten readers by contributing to a rational discussion of subject matter.

Wrong, marchesa. The 'disputes' are already there, and there's notihng wrong with that.

Everything I have said on the gay marriage thread has been a serious contribution to the discussion. I don't think anyone reading could say that I have bashed you (pippa's term).

It's also fairly clear from her brief contributions that pippa would actually agree with much of what I have said.

But she can't bring herself to say so, because that would mean disagreeing with you, and she has already predetermined that you are a victim, and any disagreement with you would count as part of the hounding and bullying to which you are subject.

And she can's express even the mildest agreement with me, because I am always and everywhere a persecutor.

That's why she won't go near your argument with Nick on your board - how could she take sides when both disputants are people she sees as my victims?

I'd love to see her being honest and objective for a change, I really would.

[marchesarosa]

Just carry on digging, jean!

This thread is NOT about gay marriage and neither is it about a subject I know anything about or about which I have anything much to say - apart from clearing up misconceptions about the nature of the "arab spring".

TTFN.

[aquatic]

Jun 14, 2012 8:18:55 GMT marchesarosa said:

Thanks for that prompt dismissal, aqua. Short and sweet as per usual. But, tell me, doesn't your public spirited swallowing of the whole of the PC crib sheet in one gulp ever cause you indigestion?

Your mastery of the compact, condensed dictum, however, saves your readers the need to go into anything in further depth. Pippop will appreciate that! What a little public benefactor you are, to be sure! Where do you pick up these little gobbets of wisdom?

Try harder next time, perhaps, to include a little "content" in your post rather than the usual priggish admonition?




« Last Edit: Today at 11:39am by marchesarosa »

Your use of the "slur" 'PC' for everything you don't agree with or didn't invent yourself has long been risible. So my latest priggish admonition is: Give It A Rest; used sparingly, it might regain some meaning, even force.

For one who arrogantly and superciliously admonishes others over their 'lack of content', you're a queer one, aren't you? You sent your first chiding insults at 8.18a.m. Three hours later (and who knows how many times in between?) you're back re-working your post to add, as I think you did, a side-swipe at pippop, and to elaborate your metaphors. Hardly a demonstration of content or substance, eh?

[pippa]

Jun 14, 2012 12:05:09 GMT jean said:

Jun 14, 2012 11:37:24 GMT marchesarosa said:

Jean, you are a prime example of someone whose raison d'être is to foment disputes amongst individuals rather than to enlighten readers by contributing to a rational discussion of subject matter.

Wrong, marchesa. The 'disputes' are already there, and there's notihng wrong with that.

Everything I have said on the gay marriage thread has been a serious contribution to the discussion. I don't think anyone reading could say that I have bashed you (pippa's term).

It's also fairly clear from her brief contributions that pippa would actually agree with much of what I have said.

But she can't bring herself to say so, because that would mean disagreeing with you, and she has already predetermined that you are a victim, and any disagreement with you would count as part of the hounding and bullying to which you are subject.

And she can's express even the mildest agreement with me, because I am always and everywhere a persecutor.

That's why she won't go near your argument with Nick on your board - how could she take sides when both disputants are people she sees as my victims?

I'd love to see her being honest and objective for a change, I really would.

this isn't the gay marriage thread but since you've raised it here jean, please, stop misrepresenting me.

where have i said that you have bashed marchesa? you've repeated it so many times now.

my response to pippop when she asked my thought about the thread was:
"pippop. i've lost sight of the point of this thread.. if there ever was one other than to bash marchesa... yet again."

i was referring to Visitor who began the thread with:
"This thread http://radio4scienceboards.proboards.com....lay&thread=1534 on a sister board is particularly nasty."

unless you are visitor, i was not referring to you.
(notice visitor only ever posts, not to engage in discussion, but to attack, invariably marchesa)

another misrepresentation:
"And she can's express even the mildest agreement with me, because I am always and everywhere a persecutor.
I'd love to see her being honest and objective for a change, I really would."

i think it's pretty obvious from my posts on this topic (gay marriage) that we were both singing from the same hymn sheet in that everyone should have the same rights.

and when you say:
"That's why she won't go near your argument with Nick on your board - how could she take sides when both disputants are people she sees as my victims?"

this is complete nonsense. i've made a total of 13 posts on that board; the last one being over a year ago. not only offensive i find it irritating that i should have to take the trouble to set you straight. Marchesa's right when she says: "Jean, you are a prime example of someone whose raison d'être is to foment disputes amongst individuals..."


constant examples of this sort of thing is not only petty but irksome to say the least:
"(I wonder what pippa thinks about this. Will we ever know?)"

"Could you tell him what I really said, pippa, if the marchesa won't?"

"Do you never feel like replying to that sort of thing yourself, pippa? You could have, you know - you didn't need to leave it all to Nick, eloquent though he is."

"I'd like to know what pippa thinks about this.
But I don't suppose I'm going to find out."

you do that sort of thing all the time, jean. i don't need prompting and if i chose to respond to anything i will do it on my own terms so please stop it.

[jean]

Jun 14, 2012 23:46:17 GMT pippa said:

you do that sort of thing all the time, jean. i don't need prompting and if i chose to respond to anything i will do it on my own terms so please stop it.

Your failure to engage in discussion, pippa, is entirely your own affair as you say, and would not be worthy of comment if you did not regularly intervene to inform anyone reading of my bullying, goading, harassment that should be confronted, my demonising of posters and getting them driven off and banned from boards, the spin and hype that I orchestrate, the infamous behaviour I manifest.

Now you have actually read the thread you were so sure was intended as a mere exercise in marchesa-bashing, you can perhaps see that some of the marchesa's views really do deserve to be challenged, and that doing so is not bashing her.

And you might start reading other threads in the same light.

[marchesarosa]

Well done pip, you nailed the sad old would-be puppeteer!

Jean really does like to call ALL the shots, doesn't she, telling us what SHE thinks and what WE have to think, too!

Personally I don't mind what others believe so long as I get a fair go at expressing my own views. It's live and let live for me. Jean likes everything FAR too cut and dried for my taste with her attempts to line up the protagonists like rows of tin soldiers at her command.

Did I say sad old lady, already?

[jean]

That's the spirit, marchesa!

I was beginning to wonder if you'd gone a bit soft.

(But you never claimed to be a fair-minded and reasonable person. Pippa does.)

[marchesarosa]

Poor! Very poor! Not a very palpable hit at all, that one, jean.

Some like stirring and others like debating. We're different types, jean.

[jean]

We both like debating, marchesa. You're a pretty vicious stirrer as well, when the mood takes you.

Pippa on the other hand, though she claims (and perhaps really believes) that her interventions help and support the victims of bullying, actually does little but stir - even if she means well in doing so, which you probably don't.

I would like her to feel free to say exactly what she thinks in the course of a debate, and not to be constrained by the need to side always with the victim of her choice. This is of course the exact opposite of lining up the protagonists like rows of tin soldiers - it's trying to get her to see that the sky won't fall af she agrees with someone at one time, and disagrees at another.

This will be easier if she can come to understand that disagreement isn't necessarily hounding or bullying.

[marchesarosa]

I think we ALL know the difference, jean.

[jean]

We? Who's this we?

Have my attempts to isolate you (see pippa's posts, passim) been so spectacularly unsuccessful, then?

[pippop]

I know the difference.

[pippa]

Jun 15, 2012 12:54:36 GMT jean said:

Pippa... claims (and perhaps really believes) that her interventions help and support the victims of bullying,...

since when? i think you'll find it's that she claims (and really believes) it's the behaviour that needs confronting.