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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 8, 2012 14:57:16 GMT
Ay, there's the rub.
Is it "significant" and in what sense?
You really should read more about climate, Aubrey, then you would be as well respected in climate discussions as you are in those concerning popular pornography.
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Post by visitor on Sept 8, 2012 15:35:22 GMT
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 9, 2012 8:09:29 GMT
Not strictly true, as someone scrupulously concerned with the actualité should be ware of, visitor. The minimum summer Arctic sea ice extents in 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 were HIGHER than that of 2007 which alarmists claimed was the "lowest EVAH". (Well, since 1979, anyway!) In fact, the current (2012) "lowest EVAH" (i.e. since 1979) summer extent has occurred in similar circumstances to that of 2007 when an unusually strong summer polar storm blew the ice about and "flushed" a more than usual amount of it southwards via the Fram Strait. Many variables other than "heat" contribute to summer sea ice extent as sceptics rightly continue to point out. And, of course, the sea ice round the Antarctic continent is definitely NOT "leaving us a bit more, every year", as the quotation from your pal neven claims. But for some reason we are not supposed to mention this "inconvenient truth".
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Post by visitor on Sept 9, 2012 9:05:37 GMT
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 9, 2012 12:41:48 GMT
There is unfortunately for you, visitor, NO WAY of measuring "volume" of sea ice either lost or gained. There is only assertion based upon speculation based on highly fallible techniques. Nothing wrong with speculation, of course, so long it is acknowledged as such and not passed off as "knowledge". But do you now the difference?
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Post by visitor on Sept 9, 2012 15:23:52 GMT
You're working your way through the list quite well
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 9, 2012 18:04:01 GMT
If you were as good as informing us about the climate as you are with cod psychologising about people who disagree with you, you might make a more entertaining poster, visitor.
NEXT!
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 10, 2012 12:34:55 GMT
Just be grateful melting sea ice does not raise sea level!
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 10, 2012 18:25:32 GMT
Has the Arctic Ocean summer melt bottomed out yet, I wonder?
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 11, 2012 10:44:13 GMT
MONTHLY SST ANOMALY MAP The following is a Global map of Reynolds OI.v2 Sea Surface Temperature (SST) anomalies for August 2012. It was downloaded from the NOMADS website. The contour levels are set at 0.5 deg C, and white is set at zero. Very interesting map of the variation in sea surface temperatures. Very curious as to why CO2 seem to limit its effect to the most northerly latitudes of Northern Hemisphere, visitor. (You do know what "latitude" means?) Have you any idea why? How would you go about distinguishing anthropogenic influences on temperature from the naturally occurring ones? If it is impossible to distinguish the purely "Anthropogenic signal" from the background natural variation should we REALLY be worrying about it? Inquiring minds need to know your answer, visitor! After all, YOU took the trouble to open the thread.
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Post by Joe K on Sept 13, 2012 21:34:21 GMT
What is the point of having a 'Climate Blog' board, which hasn't been posted to since Jan 4th, but which presumably you could block people like me from (you know, people who don't really want to have proper discussions about science), and then posting all your climate stuff here instead, thread after thread? Sadly, off topic..?
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 19, 2012 9:52:50 GMT
Antarctic sea ice trends at record high. Fears for shrinking southern ocean, right? * Shock Antarctic sea ice growth shrinks Southern Ocean by 1 m Sq kilometers
* Staggering explosion of sea ice scares penguin
* The next ice-age approaches? Ominous warnings from Antarctica
* Sea ice strangles ice-bound continent
* Record Antarctic Sea Ice threatens whales: Mammals need to breathe says scientist.
* Antarctic current survives 25m years of climate change. Wiped out by man in 20 years.
*Antarctic ice will reach Argentina. Round-the-world Yacht Race “abandoned by 2050″ joannenova.com.au/2012/09/antarctic-sea-ice-trends-at-record-highs-fears-for-shrinking-southern-ocean-right/Antarctic sea ice is yet another model failure… Antarctic sea ice reaches record high while IPCC models predicted the oppositeTurner et al 2012 (British Antarctic Survey) compares model predictions of Antarctic Sea Ice with observations and finds: “In contrast to the satellite data, which exhibits a slight increase in SIE (sea-ice-extent), the mean SIE of the models over 1979 – 2005 shows a decrease in each month, ” and also “The negative SIE trends in most of the model runs over 1979 – 2005 are a continuation of an earlier decline, suggesting that the processes responsible for the observed increase over the last 30 years are not being simulated correctly.” John Turner, Tom Bracegirdle, Tony Phillips, Gareth J. Marshall, and J. Scott Hosking (2012) An Initial Assessment of Antarctic Sea Ice Extent in the CMIP5 Models Journal of Climate; e-View doi: dx.doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00068.1
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Post by run amok on Sept 19, 2012 12:51:31 GMT
Antarctic sea ice trends at record high. Fears for shrinking southern ocean, right? * Shock Antarctic sea ice growth shrinks Southern Ocean by 1 m Sq kilometers
* Staggering explosion of sea ice scares penguin
* The next ice-age approaches? Ominous warnings from Antarctica
* Sea ice strangles ice-bound continent
* Record Antarctic Sea Ice threatens whales: Mammals need to breathe says scientist.
* Antarctic current survives 25m years of climate change. Wiped out by man in 20 years.
*Antarctic ice will reach Argentina. Round-the-world Yacht Race “abandoned by 2050″ joannenova.com.au/2012/09/antarctic-sea-ice-trends-at-record-highs-fears-for-shrinking-southern-ocean-right/Antarctic sea ice is yet another model failure… Antarctic sea ice reaches record high while IPCC models predicted the oppositeTurner et al 2012 (British Antarctic Survey) compares model predictions of Antarctic Sea Ice with observations and finds: “In contrast to the satellite data, which exhibits a slight increase in SIE (sea-ice-extent), the mean SIE of the models over 1979 – 2005 shows a decrease in each month, ” and also “The negative SIE trends in most of the model runs over 1979 – 2005 are a continuation of an earlier decline, suggesting that the processes responsible for the observed increase over the last 30 years are not being simulated correctly.” John Turner, Tom Bracegirdle, Tony Phillips, Gareth J. Marshall, and J. Scott Hosking (2012) An Initial Assessment of Antarctic Sea Ice Extent in the CMIP5 Models Journal of Climate; e-View doi: dx.doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00068.1 www.desmogblog.com/joanne-nova-climate-skeptics-handbook
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 19, 2012 16:18:06 GMT
Yes, but what do YOU think, Miss Amok?
Or are you just part of the SkS/Cook/Lewandowski Not So Rapid Response team?
Never mind! I didn't think you'd geddit.
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Post by Joe K on Sept 21, 2012 2:21:25 GMT
Antarctic sea ice trends at record high. Fears for shrinking southern ocean, right? * Shock Antarctic sea ice growth shrinks Southern Ocean by 1 m Sq kilometers
* Staggering explosion of sea ice scares penguin
* The next ice-age approaches? Ominous warnings from Antarctica
* Sea ice strangles ice-bound continent
* Record Antarctic Sea Ice threatens whales: Mammals need to breathe says scientist.
* Antarctic current survives 25m years of climate change. Wiped out by man in 20 years.
*Antarctic ice will reach Argentina. Round-the-world Yacht Race “abandoned by 2050″ joannenova.com.au/2012/09/antarctic-sea-ice-trends-at-record-highs-fears-for-shrinking-southern-ocean-right/Antarctic sea ice is yet another model failure… Antarctic sea ice reaches record high while IPCC models predicted the oppositeTurner et al 2012 (British Antarctic Survey) compares model predictions of Antarctic Sea Ice with observations and finds: “In contrast to the satellite data, which exhibits a slight increase in SIE (sea-ice-extent), the mean SIE of the models over 1979 – 2005 shows a decrease in each month, ” and also “The negative SIE trends in most of the model runs over 1979 – 2005 are a continuation of an earlier decline, suggesting that the processes responsible for the observed increase over the last 30 years are not being simulated correctly.” John Turner, Tom Bracegirdle, Tony Phillips, Gareth J. Marshall, and J. Scott Hosking (2012) An Initial Assessment of Antarctic Sea Ice Extent in the CMIP5 Models Journal of Climate; e-View doi: dx.doi.org/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00068.1See? Completely ignoring a valid question. If Admin decided to delete your climate blog because you were no longer using it, and clearly preferred to spam this board with climate guff like you used to do on the Beeb boards, what argument could you mount against the decision..?
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