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[marchesarosa]

But this doesn't work for renewables, for some reason.

No, it doesn't for very obvious reasons like intermittency of wind and sun which require thermal backup.

If renewables were efficient (and profitability is the best measure of efficiency in this case) they would not require perpetual subsidy.

Have a look at this list of renewables companies subsidised by the Obama government and their fate.


Obama’s bankrupt 33, with the amounts of direct taxpayer funding each received from the Obama Administration. The 19 asterisked companies have already filed for bankruptcy. The others are near bankruptcy:

1.Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*

2.SpectraWatt ($500,000)*

3.Solyndra ($535 million)*

4.Beacon Power ($43 million)*

5.Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)

6.SunPower ($1.2 billion)

7.First Solar ($1.46 billion)

8.Babcock and Brown ($178 million)

9.EnerDel’s subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*

10.Amonix ($5.9 million)

11.Fisker Automotive ($529 million)

12.Abound Solar ($400 million)*

13.A123 Systems ($279 million)*

14.Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*

15.Johnson Controls ($299 million)

16.Brightsource ($1.6 billion)

17.ECOtality ($126.2 million)

18.Raser Technologies ($33 million)*

19.Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*

20.Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*

21.Olsen’s Crop Service and Olsen’s Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*

22.Range Fuels ($80 million)*

23.Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*

24.Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*

25.Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*

26.GreenVolts ($500,000)

27.Vestas ($50 million)

28.LG Chem’s subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)

29.Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*

30.Navistar ($39 million)

31.Satcon ($3 million)*

32.Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*

33.Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

blog.heritage.org/2012/10/18/president-obamas-taxpayer-backed-green-energy-failures/

Renewables companies in Germany and Spain have also gone tits-up with the withdrawal of state subsidy and in China the consequent reduction in demand has led some of their industries supplying Western renewables markets to flop. It was all a scam, heavily dependent upon tax-payer subsidy that could not stand alone.




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If you people can be arsed to inform yourself.

[aubrey]

I meant the new technology bit. You don't know what's going to happen there.

[marchesarosa]

It doesn't matter what the technology is, Aubrey, intermittency of wind and solar at night and in winter in the Northern Hemisphere means it will NEVER contribute anything worthwhile here. And certainly not for industrial use or transport.

Nuclear and gas is the future for us - both reliable thermal sources of electricity generation, and petroleum or petroleum substitutes for transport for the foreseeable future. Live with it! You already are and to no ill effect whatsoever!

Life expectancy has increased in the West despite your unsupported scare-mongering about lead in petrol etc. Hazardous pollutants are recognised and dealt with by our legislation. Yours is simply a counsel of perfection. No risks can be wholly eradicated and there is no good rational reason at all to attempt to do so just to meet the unfounded fears of alarmists and petrophobes like you, I'm afraid, aubrey.

Read Ross McKitrick's thoughtful articles on air pollution and health risk

Air Pollution, Health and Mortality: Separating Fact from Fiction
www.uoguelph.ca/~rmckitri/research/ampco.pdf

Oh, but I forgot, you prefer NOT to be informed about your favourite bugbears, don't you?

[marchesarosa]

Aubrey likes to make it seem like it's a simple argument pitting big business against the environment. But it's not big business that is the sole beneficiary, it's everybody. And of course there is no need for the environment to suffer at all. the new energy and wealth created can be used to improve the environment.

No Green can ever acknowledge that.

I wonder how aubrey thinks we have achieved the green and pleasant land, that we in the West largely inhabit, along with our good health and longevity. Even the poorest of us enjoy the very pinnacle of prosperity and opportunity compared to the rest of the world. Our mastery of natural resources has a lot to do with this.

[aubrey]

I think the socialist Govt of the late 40s helped a lot in that, Marchesa. And subsequent regulation; business without regulation is hellish for the people who have to live with it, as it was at least up to the 30s here. The expression Where there's muck there's brass did not mean that anyone with enough gumption can make a profit out of muck, but that profit-making always leaves a lot of muck behind it.

You do like to simplify arguments against you, don't you, though?


Oh, by the way, and this is completely different and maybe better in a PM, but: you didn't happen to see Gene Pitney at Leeds Town Hall in '68 or 69, I think it was, did you? (I know the chances of this are very very slight, but...)

[marchesarosa]

No, aubrey, I was not living in Leeds then. I was in Green Street Green, near Orpington in Kent.

I was not enough of a fan of pop music to go to pop concerts or festivals although I like to dance around to pop music (in the privacy of my own home, of course!)

I am not against the regulation of industry or business, aubrey. Alongside protection of the citizens it is one of the most important functions of the state.

I object to Environmentalists trying to prevent fracking for natural gas by using specious environmental protection and "earthquake" arguments. Fracking has gone on for decades in the USA without harm to either the environment or people and it is now held to account in part for the revival of the US economy. I object to the EPA trying to push forward the AWG agenda by claiming colourless, odourless, essential plant food is a "pollutant" under the Clean Air Act. This is a travesty of "regulation". It is politically motivated claptrap promoted by narrow minded lobbyists.

[aubrey]

God, CO2 again.

Better scientists that you or me have said that too much is a threat. We're not even scientists, though.

It's a balance though, isn't it? Too much or too little of anything will make a difference.

Pity about Gene, though. I was 9 or 10 then. I just got it into my head that you might have been there.

So I don't suppose you saw The Fall at The Venue in Victoria in 1983? (I never dance, anywhere.)

[marchesarosa]

Aubrey, I have never even heard of The Fall.

[aubrey]

You're on the same MBs as me, and you've never heard of The Fall?

Now I know you never read my posts.

(Though you could mean that you've never heard of them outside my posts.)

[jean]

Here, for those in any doubt:

[aubrey]

He's copping a feel.

[aubrey]

"the band have, officially, 29 studio albums, 35 live albums, 47 singles (many of which are non-album tracks), and 40 (mostly terrible, lazy cash-in) compilations to their name..." (I think this is probably out of date now; also, there are literally hundreds of unofficial live recordings in circulation.)

[marchesarosa]

you could mean that you've never heard of them outside my posts

That's right, aubrey. Nice painting.

[aubrey]

Dec 12, 2012 15:50:46 GMT aubrey said:

He's copping a feel.

Raising (or something) the tone, there.

[jean]

Of course he's not!

He's trying to to restrain her from an action which will, if accomplished, result in the damnation of the whole of humankind.

The fact that his restraining hand is closer to her right breast than to any other part of her body is neither here nor there.