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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 30, 2014 19:23:31 GMT
The bases of science are hyphotheses The essence of empirical science is the attempted rejection of an hypothesis based upon evidential investigation I am quite happy with your hypothesis Now use the scientific method in an attempt to falsify it! We will leave it there. We are both happy.Nothing more to be said or done! Except to say that Spesh is an idiot - but that also is well known
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Post by PaulNuttallisacommonname on Nov 30, 2014 19:55:36 GMT
We will leave it there. We are both happy.Nothing more to be said or done! Except to say that Spesh is an idiot - but that also is well known You can't post more than three messages without calling somebody an idiot or mentioning the word "spesh". Just two of your many obsessions which you shamelessly repeat time after time, year after plodding year. Apparently your life's aim is to get somebody on a message board somewhere to call you a racist. God knows why. Maybe you don't even know yourself! But the worry you have that there may people out there, whole RACES even, who could be more intelligent than you is your biggest problem I think. You'll end up with an ulcer if you're not careful.
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Post by aquatic on Nov 30, 2014 23:08:05 GMT
I’m a bit black/brown/Jew, so my IQ is quite low. I wonder why.
I wonder why Watson, Burt and Eysenck didn’t wonder this too.
Include Jewish too, eg, Rosalind: come off it!
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Dec 1, 2014 8:39:26 GMT
I’m a bit black/brown/Jew, so my IQ is quite low. I wonder why. I wonder why Watson, Burt and Eysenck didn’t wonder this too. Include Jewish too, eg, Rosalind: come off it! You know as well as I that not all members of a race show identical characteristics. If it s true that the black races have lower intelligece rhan other races it will be a statistical inferiority with some black men showing far greater intelligence than many white men, and some black men showing much lower intellingence than many white men Why should it be so? (If it is so) God knows
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Dec 1, 2014 8:42:22 GMT
[ But the worry you have that there may people out there, whole RACES even, who could be more intelligent than you is your biggest problem I think. Now this is why I consider you an idiot Spesh.
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Post by jean on Dec 1, 2014 10:38:57 GMT
...some black men showing far greater intelligence than many white men, and some black men showing much lower intellingence than many white men... Not to mention the women.If you just stop thinking in terms of 'races', then you can cease to puzzle, and recognise that differences between individuals are far more important that any differences you think you can detect between any of the groups they may happen to belong to. The only question then is why you, or Watson, or anyone else, would be trying to nail these differences between 'races' in the first place. What would you hope to do with such knowledge, even if you could obtain it? (Which, given the fallibility of IQ tests and the shakiness of the concept of race, I would contend you probably won't be able to do - which is why most Hyopothese-makers have stopped trying, and Watson never even began.)
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Dec 1, 2014 13:37:07 GMT
...some black men showing far greater intelligence than many white men, and some black men showing much lower intellingence than many white men... Not to mention the women.If you just stop thinking in terms of 'races', then you can cease to puzzle, and recognise that differences between individuals are far more important that any differences you think you can detect between any of the groups they may happen to belong to. The only question then is why you, or Watson, or anyone else, would be trying to nail these differences between 'races' in the first place. What would you hope to do with such knowledge, even if you could obtain it? (Which, given the fallibility of IQ tests and the shakiness of the concept of race, I would contend you probably won't be able to do - which is why most Hyopothese-makers have stopped trying, and Watson never even began.) There is generally no 'shakiness' about the concept of race, unless you have difficulty distinguishing between, for example a Chinaman and a Zulu Well if it can be shown that some races have inferior intelligence, then resources can be directed their way to assist them to overcome this disadvantage)
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Post by jean on Dec 1, 2014 14:48:43 GMT
Well if it can be shown that some races have inferior intelligence, then resources can be directed their way to assist them to overcome this disadvantage. But of course, cleefy! What a generous soul you are!
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Post by aquatic on Dec 2, 2014 0:30:03 GMT
This, of course, has been a wind-up. The level of intelligence on this board is all of a par. I've conducted, by hand, a PAT (Psychological Assessment by - your call.)So, cleefarqhuar, you need to show that you actually mean "Well if it can be shown that some races have inferior intelligence, then resources can be directed their way to assist them to overcome this disadvantage." [Sorry, I didn't know whether to put the smiley within or without the quotes. I think I may have got it wrong. That's the trouble with irony.]
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Dec 2, 2014 9:12:09 GMT
This, of course, has been a wind-up. The level of intelligence on this board is all of a par. I've conducted, by hand, a PAT (Psychological Assessment by - your call.)So, cleefarqhuar, you need to show that you actually mean "Well if it can be shown that some races have inferior intelligence, then resources can be directed their way to assist them to overcome this disadvantage." [Sorry, I didn't know whether to put the smiley within or without the quotes. I think I may have got it wrong. That's the trouble with irony.] Already been done old chap The custodians of the British Empire simply assumed that Africans were of generally lower intelligence than the white man (one of the great downsides [that also had its upside] of the British Empire was this universal racism. They therefore made a great (and largely successful) effort at paternalism (probably the Christian ethos of the Empire).They provided them with schools, roads, railways, harbours, airports, medical services, hospitals, sewerage systems,a system of law and justice, a written language - all the necessities of the modern state. And me personally? Well, I do not consider that they are generally of a lower intelligence, simply because I do not know. On the other hand, if scientists using scientific methods stick to that hypothesis, them fair enough - but not too much notice should be taken of them as it is difficult to see any positive outcome from the hypothesis (apart from the one I have outlined, which is also applied in Britain whereby racially [naturally they are called socially disadvantagd]disadvantaged schools receive a far higher government grant than 'white' schools) Do I believe in assisting the disadvantaged? Disappointingly ,(for some) yes I certainly do I think one of the most stupid outcries from within some right-wing quarters such as UKIP and the Conservatives, is their demand that overseas aid should be stopped I also support a couple of African children through school, have a DD to a wonderful organisation called 'Mary's Meals' that spends 90% of its income on African children, sponsored my daughter on a trip to Uganda to help establish a haven for the abandoned orphans of AIDS- all the usual middle-class paternalistic stuff that only the despised aspirational middle classes can afford
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Post by jean on Dec 2, 2014 11:01:26 GMT
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Post by Jonjel on Dec 2, 2014 11:28:32 GMT
That is a totally different question Jean. And I think it is a questionable verdict. Children from some immigrant groups are persuaded and encouraged by their parents that they have to achieve at school. But there are some groups who almost consider it a badge of honour to leave school with nothing. But, intelligence should not necessarily be linked to achievement at school. A good friend went on to do great things but could not read or write until he was 12.
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Post by jean on Dec 2, 2014 11:43:29 GMT
[That is a totally different question Jean. It's not a question at all, never mind a different one. It's a very precise answer to the point cleefy is attempting to make, which is, if you take the trouble to read the particular post I'm replying to, that the schools which receive greater funding because they are socially disadvantaged are not socially disadvantaged at all but racially disadvantaged , only naturally we can't say that because of political correctness. And since (as you say) achievement in school has very little to do with race and not even as much to do with intelligence as it should, cleefy's claims that identifying black people as being on average of lower intelligence than white people would have benign influences of the sort he suggests are nonsense.
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Post by Jonjel on Dec 2, 2014 12:02:59 GMT
[That is a totally different question Jean. It's not a question at all, never mind a different one. It's a very precise answer to the point cleefy is attempting to make, which is, if you take the trouble to read the particular post I'm replying to, that the schools which receive greater funding because they are socially disadvantaged are not socially disadvantaged at all but racially disadvantaged , only naturally we can't say that because of political correctness. And since (as you say) achievement in school has very little to do with race and not even as much to do with intelligence as it should, cleefy's claims that identifying black people as being on average of lower intelligence than white people would have benign infuences of the sort he suggests are nonsense. I have taken the trouble to read it Jean. You might not agree with what I write but I think a little common courtesy would be welcome. Was I rude to you? I have not addressed the issue of whether different 'races' have different intelligence.
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Post by jean on Dec 2, 2014 12:14:06 GMT
You might not agree with what I write... It's because I agree with what you say about the various factors that influence educational achievement that I find it slightly exasperating that you don't seem to be able to see that that is precisely why I posted that particular response to cleefy. Perhaps it was rather rude of you to dismiss my reply as you did, without apparently stopping to consider the connexion I was making? 'That is a totally different question', you wrote. Different from what? No, you haven't. And wisely so, I suggest. But that's what cleefy wants his thread to be about, and that is what I am addressing.
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