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Post by ncsonde on Oct 26, 2012 12:40:19 GMT
What are we supposed to be looking at that "doesn't seem to make any sense"? The difference between what's happened today compared with most of the week? What's the puzzle? Is that what the figures are saying? By my reading. What other interpretation could there be? What difference does it make? What's your point? Probably because it fluctuates from day to day. It might, if you had no wish to be reminded that wind power is subject to wide fluctuations. You can't just turn up the wind when you need to.
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Post by ncsonde on Oct 26, 2012 12:44:29 GMT
;D Given you've just helpfully posted the Scottish generating figures, the above claims for "the UK" really are outrageous. Any way you can take Scotland out and end up with the percentage of wind power in England and Wales?
Also - any figures on the implied increase in hydroelectric generation? ;D
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Post by pippop on Oct 26, 2012 12:46:29 GMT
Is that what the figures are saying? By my reading. What other interpretation could there be? What difference does it make? What's your point? Probably because it fluctuates from day to day. It might, if you had no wish to be reminded that wind power is subject to wide fluctuations. You can't just turn up the wind when you need to. My point is that it seems like an odd way of giving information. Surely you'll agree that "most of the week" is a little imprecise? A bit unscientific? Anyway - why do you care? You've made it abundantly clear that you think that this board offers nothing that's of much interest to you, so why are you even bothering to talk to me about this. Marchesarosa is perfectly capable of answering my questions and doesn't need any help from you.
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Post by pippop on Oct 26, 2012 12:47:44 GMT
No, I cannot at the moment, a source was not provided but it is within the norms of what we know. (When I say "we" I mean people who take an interest in the subject.) I am not at all surprised pippop is sceptical of the figures quoted by David Wells. I thought the Scottish figures and the greener ideal statement might pacify him/her for a while but apparently s/he still wants to make an issue of the matter. Must be an awful big shock to the ignorant when they discover what a trivial amount of electricity generation in the UK is from wind when you consider all the space the media devote to it. But as always, it is still coal that is the reliable standby! Never said that. Ad Hom.
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Post by pippop on Oct 26, 2012 12:50:03 GMT
No, I cannot at the moment, a source was not provided but it is within the norms of what we know. (When I say "we" I mean people who take an interest in the subject.) I am not at all surprised pippop is sceptical of the figures quoted by David Wells. I thought the Scottish figures and the greener ideal statement might pacify him/her for a while but apparently s/he still wants to make an issue of the matter. Must be an awful big shock to the ignorant when they discover what a trivial amount of electricity generation in the UK is from wind when you consider all the space the media devote to it. But as always, it is still coal that is the reliable standby! Who did not provide a source?
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Post by pippop on Oct 26, 2012 13:05:05 GMT
My point is that it seems like an odd way of giving information. Surely you'll agree that "most of the week" is a little imprecise? A bit unscientific? Not really - imprecise perhaps, but there's nothing unscientific about it. What I've made abundantly clear is that I think the reasons there isn't much of interest on this board - to anyone, above a certain age and mentality - are very easily remediable. Touchy touchy. I had no way of knowing Marchesa was around when I helpfully resolved your bafflement; or, if she was, whether she'd have the patience and surprising forebearance to bother. For all I knew you could have been scratching your head about the difference between a day and a week for months to come. Yes, you've hinted at that before. Perhaps you could make some suggestions? I'd be very interested to hear anything you think that would improve matters. She posts here every day. You have not resolved anything.
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Post by marchesarosa on Oct 26, 2012 13:08:26 GMT
Here's the graph. It provides a comparison of the various sources of UK electricity generation over time. Sorry pippop does not seem to grasp the variation in sources of supply from day to day. What does s/he think happens when the wind don't blow? www.geog.ox.ac.uk/~dcurtis/NETA.htmlThe red squiggle at the top is total generation. Brown is gas and sludgy green is coal If you place the mouse anywhere on the graph data will appear in the top right corner. Wind is the little green squiggle running just above the baseline. Pippa will notice that it almost disappeared in the last week (19th to 24th October 2012), as indeed it often does.
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Post by pippop on Oct 26, 2012 13:08:49 GMT
Here's a graph. It's not the one I was seeking but it provides a comparison of the various sources of electricity generation over time. Sorry pippop does not seem to grasp the variation in sources of supply from day to day. What does s/he think happens when the wind don't blow? www.geog.ox.ac.uk/~dcurtis/NETA.htmlThe red squiggle at the top is total generation. If you place the mouse anywhere on the graph data will appear in the top right corner. Wind is the little green squiggle running just above the baseline. Pippa will notice that it almost disappeared in the last week (19th to 24th October 2012) or so, as indeed it often does. Yesterday when you wrote (on the now defunct thread): "Today UK wind turbines have been producing 3.8% of our electricity demand with 48% coal, 18% nuclear and 26% gas but wind has been 1% to 1.3% for most of the week." You must have got those figures from somewhere - I just want to know where. Is that too much to ask? Where is the "good faith"?
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Post by marchesarosa on Oct 26, 2012 13:13:33 GMT
I told you where I got "Today UK wind turbines have been producing 3.8% of our electricity demand with 48% coal, 18% nuclear and 26% gas but wind has been 1% to 1.3% for most of the week." From a comment by David Wells here wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/25/an-ill-wind-blows-from-wind-turbiines/#comment-1122484 He did not provide a source but there is no need to believe he was wrong given the data I have now found on the graph here which bears out his percentages www.geog.ox.ac.uk/~dcurtis/NETA.htmlNow, do you have any points to make about all the other info you have been provided with in the course of this thread? My good faith is demonstrated in the info and links I have provided in the course of this thread. Where is yours, pippop? Are you interested in electricity generation?
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Post by pippop on Oct 26, 2012 13:19:51 GMT
I told you where I got it. From a comment by David Wells here wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/25/an-ill-wind-blows-from-wind-turbiines/#comment-1122484 He did not provide a source but there is no need to believe he was wrong given the data I have now found on the graph here which bears out his percentages www.geog.ox.ac.uk/~dcurtis/NETA.htmlNow, do you have any points to make about all the other info you have been provided with in the course of this thread? My good faith is demonstrated in the info and links I have provided in the course of this thread. Where is yours, pippop? Are you interested in electricity generation or are you here merely to have another go at me? Thank you. Who is David Wells?
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Post by marchesarosa on Oct 26, 2012 13:21:49 GMT
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Post by pippop on Oct 26, 2012 13:22:16 GMT
I told you where I got "Today UK wind turbines have been producing 3.8% of our electricity demand with 48% coal, 18% nuclear and 26% gas but wind has been 1% to 1.3% for most of the week." From a comment by David Wells here wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/25/an-ill-wind-blows-from-wind-turbiines/#comment-1122484 He did not provide a source but there is no need to believe he was wrong given the data I have now found on the graph here which bears out his percentages www.geog.ox.ac.uk/~dcurtis/NETA.htmlNow, do you have any points to make about all the other info you have been provided with in the course of this thread? My good faith is demonstrated in the info and links I have provided in the course of this thread. Where is yours, pippop? Are you interested in electricity generation or are you here merely to have another go at me? If you call asking questions "having a go" then I will stop asking. If that's what you want. Just give the word.
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Post by pippop on Oct 26, 2012 13:24:56 GMT
Thank you. So the official figures for electricity by wind-power are abot 1% - 3%. So what are the Greens saying?
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Post by marchesarosa on Oct 26, 2012 13:26:01 GMT
Perhaps you have an opinion about the data presented apart from querying the source of it, pippop? Was it the 48% of total electricity still being produced by coal that caught your attention or the minuscule and highly variable amount produced by wind on 25th October 2012? www.geog.ox.ac.uk/~dcurtis/NETA.htmlPerhaps you could comment on the ingenuity that went into presenting the electricity generation data in this very useful form? Do you think you have learned something useful from your participation in this thread? If so, what?
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Post by pippop on Oct 26, 2012 13:30:21 GMT
Perhaps you have an opinion about the data presented apart from querying the source of it? Was it the 48% of total electricity still being produced by coal that caught your attention or the minuscule and highly variable amount produced by wind? www.geog.ox.ac.uk/~dcurtis/NETA.htmlWell, you said something before about "ignorant" people being surprised when they find out how much electricity is produced by wind-power. The figures did not surprise me. You have also said (or implied) that the "Greens" have statistics (lies) that paint a different picture. What do they say? (I'll be happy to give an opinion on that - is is wildly different?)
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