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Post by jamesjosh on Mar 1, 2010 16:20:55 GMT
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8515592.stmOf the women who believed some victims should take responsibility, 71% thought a person should accept responsibility when getting into bed with someone, compared with 57% of men. Almost three quarters of the women who believed this said if a victim got into bed with the assailant before an attack they should accept some responsibility
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Post by Jade on Mar 1, 2010 16:27:45 GMT
I know it is all a matter of degree, but if the woman you were making love to asked you to stop - wouldn't you?
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Post by pippa on Mar 1, 2010 16:38:37 GMT
I know it is all a matter of degree, but if the woman you were making love to asked you to stop - wouldn't you? i should hope so, no matter how close to the grand finale - otherwise it is rape, obviously. |
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Post by jamesjosh on Mar 1, 2010 16:51:32 GMT
Well yes it is rape.
The question is though why go that far to then so no ? Isn't this one of the big differences between men and women. Men are hardly like to say no. Do women really like sexual intercourse, does it give them more physical pain then men ?
Women boast about faking orgasms but to me that is sad (and one of the remarks that backfire on women). The man has had his orgasm while the woman hasn't - to me hardly something to boast about, but shows that perhaps women are not as sensual as men.
I have often said that women follow men in what they do - they play football, get drunk and sleep around. If a man can do it they say a woman can do it . But surely, they miss the point that something like sex affects women more than it does men and they should face that reality. Would it be better for women if instead of having contraceptives they actually only had sex for having children - now that would really make them different from men.
Beating men at their own game is (IMO) for women very often a Pyrrhic victory.
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Post by jean on Mar 1, 2010 21:59:28 GMT
Do women really like sexual intercourse...? No. (I can't speak for all women, of course.) Why on earth would they boast about it, james? Are you sure they were boasting? |
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Post by aqua on Mar 1, 2010 22:03:10 GMT
Bleating? Nah!  |
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Post by aqua on Mar 1, 2010 22:04:12 GMT
Or do I mean, Ba-a-ah?
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Post by aubrey on Mar 2, 2010 9:08:28 GMT
I know it's fiction, but the scene in Harry/Sally is boasting, isn't it? And the standard break-up scene - "I was faking!" is boasting as well, isn't it? (One boasting about how well she does it, the other kind of similar, but for a different reason.)
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Post by Jade on Mar 2, 2010 9:28:29 GMT
jamesjosh are you really unable to think of a scenario where the couple start out in accord, get into bed, continue with doing to do and then something happens that makes the woman want to stop?
("your boobs are nicer than your mothers" / "my test came back positive" / "isn't it great to f*** without even liking someone")
o and the faking thing - sometimes JJ it is a gift.
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Post by jean on Mar 2, 2010 13:40:11 GMT
I know it's fiction, but the scene in Harry/Sally is boasting, isn't it? Ah yes, I see what you mean - but that is boasting about her skill in being able to do it undetectably, isn't it? But being in a real situation where you thought the best thing you could do was fake orgasm is not something you'd want to boast about, is it? |
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Post by jean on Mar 2, 2010 13:40:56 GMT
o and the faking thing - sometimes JJ it is a gift. A gift to some man who doesn't deserve it, IMO. |
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Post by Jade on Mar 2, 2010 13:50:15 GMT
o jean - so harsh
it can also be a loving gift. Rarely of course, but it can
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Post by jean on Mar 2, 2010 15:06:45 GMT
Better than lying there like a sack of potatoes, I suppose. Which could also be a gift.
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Post by aqua on Mar 2, 2010 16:10:16 GMT
Spud-U-Luv.
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Post by jamesjosh on Mar 2, 2010 16:28:18 GMT
The boasting is in the deception "aren't men silly we have fooled them over orgasims". This is the type of remark/situation that IMO backfires onto women as some men couldn't careless that a woman has had to fake an orgasim - he has had his.
One of the biggest mistake women make is believing men are fools, after all, men have (apparently) oppressed women for thousands of years. If I was going to be oppressed I would prefer to be oppressed by someone who is clever not stupid.
I have a sneaking suspicion that in some cases it is the faked orgasim that is fake.
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