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Post by naymissus on Jul 23, 2010 6:41:52 GMT
It seems our loveable Bobbies, who are always willing to give you directions to McDonalds or the nearest homosexual massage parlour, or even just tell you the time (although I did once meet a rather rude young Bobby, who when Iasked him the time, simply pointed rather ungraciously at the nearby Big Ben), have been given more powers to assist the general public as we go about our legitimate business.
They have , apparently, now been given the power to truncheon to death anyone that they suspect is not solely concerned to ask the time or directions; indeed suspicious looking people can be battered to death for simply walking in a prohibited direction (with the prohibition arbitrarily decided by same Bobby) when our loveable Bobbies think they should not.
I welcome these new powers which seem to be an addition to their existing power to shoot swarthy-skinned people six times in the head, as the general public must be allowed to go about its business without the threat of people walking in the wrong direction or attempting to board a tube train without a ticket.
Just imagine the anarchy that would ensue if such unsociable actions became commonplace!
So next time you see a Bobby in a US Marine-style helmet, dressed all in black , wearing goggles and carrying a Kockler and Hech sub-machine gun (the make is not important), just make sure you stop and ask him the time, otherwise he might shoot you! He's allowed to you know!
The upside of being shot by our Bobbies, is of course, local cult-hero status.
Up to you really.
Or as the loveable British Bobby said to Mr Moat:
'You bloody rotten spoilsport - I was only Tazing'
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Post by pippa on Jul 23, 2010 18:06:22 GMT
tra-la-la They have , apparently, now been given the power to truncheon to death anyone that they suspect is not solely concerned to ask the time or directions; strikes me (oh the pun) they've always had that power. has there ever been a case where any copper has been found guilty murder while in the course of duty? perhaps it has happened but for sure whenever they are caught out and under the spotlight, everyone closes ranks. the man they mistook carrying a table leg for a gun (always makes me think of the man who mistook his wife for a hat ), Blair Peach, Jean Charles de Menezes, Ian Tomlinson (who was not taking part in that demo - he was on his way home) are just a handful of cases that i know of that have come under scrutiny. their blatant lies to cover-up and still, they get away with it. and then there are how many individuals who die in custody during so called questioning? not to mention those that meet with violence during their time in custody before any charges have been brought - so at that point technically innocent. i have personally witnessed police violence on a few occasions now. once i saw an old drunk who was led around the back of a building by a copper who knocked six bells out of him. on another occasion i happened to be in a police station where i heard someone being beaten up in the cells, i heard the thudding and his cries. and then not so long ago a young woman i know of had been out partying and on her way home, drunk, she was approached by a police van. she got mouthy with them and so they arrested her. being drunk she made the mistake of trying to resist them and attempted to bite one of the group of about six policemen that had a hold of her. down at the station is where they laid into her leaving her badly bruised. she had no recollection of being strip searched (mentioned in their report) and she has no recollection of any women police officers being present at all throughout what she remembers of her ordeal. whether any women pcs were actually there, one cant say because they managed to lose the cctv footage which was later asked for by her solicitor. the young woman in her early twenties, was left in a cell in just her underwear for 23 hours with only a polystyrene cup containing a few sips of water. they charged her and after a short trial during which her ordeal was not even mentioned, she was found guilting of resisting arrest and attempting to bite a police officer. she got a suspended sentence, and community service. naturally they got off scot free and after her trial her solicitor told her he couldn't follow up on their behaviour because she shouldn't have acted like a "banshee" and resisted arrest. |
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Post by sinistral on Jul 23, 2010 21:44:04 GMT
strikes me (oh the pun) they've always had that power. has there ever been a case where any copper has been found guilty murder while in the course of duty? perhaps it has happened but for sure whenever they are caught out and under the spotlight, everyone closes ranks. Of course they've always had the power.....just as criminals have always had the power to murder police officers. And yes....there are cases of police officers committing crimes right up to,and including,murder. Cases easily found on the Internet,but not often spoken of by those trying to claim that the police are above the law. And yes,the police close ranks. Not surprising really,when you consider the massed ranks of people standing by just waiting for an incident,any incident so that they can start their "fascist police state" mantra. Yes...balls-ups all,with lies and cover-ups,but...... Consider the lies and cover-ups elsewhere.... Politics,the law,the medical profession.....God almighty,the number of medical fatalities resulting from blunders would knock the police total into a cocked hat. The difference being that a doctor's mistakes don't take place in the middle of a hunt for terrorists or a riot with cameras everywhere. And while we're on the subject of cover-ups..... How many criminals lie their back teeth out to evade justice? How many people lied to shield the murderers of PC Keith Blakelock? Remember him? Repeatedly stabbed and lost several fingers while desperately trying to stop his head being hacked off. Still...I expect he was a fascist too. I suggest you go away and compile some figures instead of making it sound as if it were an everyday occurence that every police officer takes part in. I trust,as a law abiding citizen,you reported these incidents....noted the officers numbers,etc. And as for her...... Sounds to me like pretty run of the mill treatment for a violent drunk. It's how a male drunk would be treated. I hope,as a woman,she wasn't expecting preferential treatment. |
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Post by pippa on Jul 24, 2010 1:00:10 GMT
Of course they've always had the power.....just as criminals have always had the power to murder police officers. And yes....there are cases of police officers committing crimes right up to,and including,murder. your use of the word 'power' is juxtaposed. there is never justification for the police to behave as common criminals. and it sounds plain daft to use the comparison that because criminals murder police, police do likewise. so, mantras are one thing - they dont justify police closing ranks to cover up incidents of brutality. well of course not, in the scheme of things there are cock-ups accross the board and are proportionate but all these wrongs dont make the police right, do they. again i don't see what you are trying to justify. well of course they do but you are making rather an odd comparison. i can't quite see your logic. again your argument doesn't seem balanced, imo.... and your graphic description, i see as irrelevant to this discussion. it sounds from what you're saying, that because the police might be victims of brutality then that in turn justifies police brutality - nah. excuse me, mine is a valid question. i daresay there are plenty statistics where complaints of police brutality are made. but just remember for however many thousands that are reported there will also be a vast amount of cases that go unreported. i suggest you stop burying your head in the sand. don't get me wrong, from personal experience i have found the police to be extremely polite and helpful towards me. as perhaps you yourself have. however, i daresay i could well be perceived by them as a white middle class heterosexual suburbanite. i dont think minorities and those on the fringes of society always experience them in quite the same way. in my time i've seen many faces from our police force. well naturally, but come off it you wouldn't expect anything to ever be done about it, do you? no Sin, not a violent drunk. she was drunk and on her way home and then a police van stopped and male coppers tormented her with comments about her sexuality. taunting her comments about being a lesbian, that must have pissed them off. you think that is acceptable police practise, do you? true, her reaction was mouthy but it wasn't until she was jumped on and forced into police van that she tried to resist (drunk remember - it's not against the law) and attempted to bite one of about six of them who were man-handling her. you think that is acceptable run of the mill treatment, do you? had she be left unmolested by them, to wend her way home on her own, she would not have landed herself with a criminal record. fair enough, you don't mess with coppers, and resisting arrest is never a good idea. however, the way i see it is that they were out looking for trouble and ended up creating it. how often does that happen i wonder. excuse me, . this was a young woman who already had been taunted with sexist, homophobic remarks. she was strip searched which she has no recollection of, let alone no recollection of any women police officers being present throughout what she remembers of her ordeal. that alone sounds well dodgy. then she was left in her underwear for 23 hours. when asked for the cctv footage the police conveniently lost it. you are probably right though in your assumption that it is par for the course but i'd be astounded if you found it acceptable behaviour from officers of the law. as for your i take it this is a joke? this comment reflects more on middle class thinking. most people i know dont expect preferential anything. btw take a look here where you can see the bruising and then tell me you think that it is acceptable to do this to someone in custody and don't forget the strip search that she had no idea took place. www.thesequal.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=138 |
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Post by naymissus on Jul 24, 2010 6:13:48 GMT
And I was so glad to hear yesteday that traditional policing has been restored!
Remember the good old days when your local Bobbies would smack scrumpers and stone-throwers and other mischievous boys around the ear rather than go into all that formal paperwork to make convicts of them?
Well happily, them days are back, but as you might well imagine with a modern twist.
For it seems that now, when our Bobbies stop you for a traffic offence (real or imagined), instead of doing all that boring paperwork and possibly having to appear in court, they rely on the good old fashioned policing of yesteryear
They simply Taser you in the bollocks!
That's what I like about the English Bobbies, their sound good sense and no-nonsense approach to policing.
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Post by sinistral on Jul 24, 2010 10:44:50 GMT
And I was so glad to hear yesteday that traditional policing has been restored! Remember the good old days when your local Bobbies would smack scrumpers and stone-throwers and other mischievous boys around the ear rather than go into all that formal paperwork to make convicts of them? Well happily, them days are back, but as you might well imagine with a modern twist. For it seems that now, when our Bobbies stop you for a traffic offence (real or imagined), instead of doing all that boring paperwork and possibly having to appear in court, they rely on the good old fashioned policing of yesteryear They simply Taser you in the bollocks! That's what I like about the English Bobbies, their sound good sense and no-nonsense approach to policing. I might have taken more notice of the above post,Joe,if it had been written as part of the discussion here. Sadly,it was just another one of your space fillers copied and pasted from the MCL. |
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Post by sinistral on Jul 24, 2010 11:07:23 GMT
Pippa,I'm not at all surprised that you couldn't see the logic of my post.
Go back and look at your first post.....
It talks about the police as an entity.
You don't speak of some officers being violent or corrupt,you talk as though all are.
That was what I was challenging.
I know full well that some coppers are wrong 'uns.
My point is that there are wrong 'uns in every job,profession,race,religion.....and whatever other group you can think of.
Somewhere in your post you made mention of middle-class.....actually I'm working class,whatever that means.
Brought up to respect the police and the bloody shitty job they have to do.
It occurs to me that the more some people with a certain political agenda make the police's job more difficult,then the harder it is to get decent recruits to join.
But then,perhaps that's what some people want....a self fulfilling prophesy of a fascist police state.
I'd rather see a country where the police are helped and encouraged to do a good job.
If that's "middle class" mentality then hooray!
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Post by naymissus on Jul 24, 2010 11:29:02 GMT
And I was so glad to hear yesteday that traditional policing has been restored! Remember the good old days when your local Bobbies would smack scrumpers and stone-throwers and other mischievous boys around the ear rather than go into all that formal paperwork to make convicts of them? Well happily, them days are back, but as you might well imagine with a modern twist. For it seems that now, when our Bobbies stop you for a traffic offence (real or imagined), instead of doing all that boring paperwork and possibly having to appear in court, they rely on the good old fashioned policing of yesteryear They simply Taser you in the bollocks! That's what I like about the English Bobbies, their sound good sense and no-nonsense approach to policing. I might have taken more notice of the above post,Joe,if it had been written as part of the discussion here. Sadly,it was just another one of your space fillers copied and pasted from the MCL. Hmmm... So what precisely? The OP is also copied and pasted from MCL and the post you refer to is directly related to the OP, which is really about abuse of power I see nothing sad at all. |
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Post by sinistral on Jul 24, 2010 13:40:08 GMT
Hmmm... So what precisely? The OP is also copied and pasted from MCL and the post you refer to is directly related to the OP, which is really about abuse of power I see nothing sad at all. If you say so,Joe. To me it looked like a catch-all post trying to cover two different threads. |
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Post by sinistral on Jul 24, 2010 13:46:48 GMT
Oh yes,and I meant to say.....
If you have a problem with the police being given more powers then criticise those who are really to blame.....politicians.
The poor bloody coppers haven't taken those powers,they've been lumbered with them.
Point your justifiable ire at the long succession of useless Home Secretaries that have made policing in this country damn nigh impossible.
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Post by naymissus on Jul 24, 2010 13:55:08 GMT
Oh yes,and I meant to say..... If you have a problem with the police being given more powers then criticise those who are really to blame.....politicians. The poor bloody coppers haven't taken those powers,they've been lumbered with them. Point your justifiable ire at the long succession of useless Home Secretaries that have made policing in this country damn nigh impossible. Nah! The police need the powers that they have. Sometimes it is abused and should be jumped on. I think rather like those wanting to become Bishops, those wanting to become policemen should not be allowed to! Much too muxh scope to exercise macho! |
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Post by sinistral on Jul 24, 2010 14:47:17 GMT
Oh yes,and I meant to say..... If you have a problem with the police being given more powers then criticise those who are really to blame.....politicians. The poor bloody coppers haven't taken those powers,they've been lumbered with them. Point your justifiable ire at the long succession of useless Home Secretaries that have made policing in this country damn nigh impossible. Nah! The police need the powers that they have. Sometimes it is abused and should be jumped on. I think rather like those wanting to become Bishops, those wanting to become policemen should not be allowed to! Much too muxh scope to exercise macho! And there was me thinking you considered Jack Straw,Jacqui Smith et al to be tossers,buggering up the due process of law and justice. I didn't realise all the piddling laws introduced over the last few years were necessary. |
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Post by naymissus on Jul 24, 2010 16:25:17 GMT
Yes, you are right there are a lot of laws,piddling and also serious threats to our liberties that should not be there
I was really thinking of the police powers to use violence, which they must have and it must be kept under strict control
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Post by pippa on Jul 24, 2010 17:56:03 GMT
Pippa,I'm not at all surprised that you couldn't see the logic of my post. Go back and look at your first post..... It talks about the police as an entity. You don't speak of some officers being violent or corrupt,you talk as though all are. That was what I was challenging. well actually i mostly spoke of specific case of violence and corruption i dont deny that there are obviously decent, law abiding individuals within the force who do not see themselves above the law. however i still don't see what you were challenging. your talk of corruption and incompetence across the board in all professions is hardly an excuse for mal practise it is a perception - whether or not it rings true really doesn't matter. people make judgements on appearances, on how one looks, speaks, etc. and that's a fact. how someone comes across often depends on how they are treated by those in positions of power. little people, in uniforms, in positions of power tend to abuse it. the police force as an institution unfortunately has it's fair share of thugs, corruption, racism, xenophobia, sexism etc. etc. imo, i don't feel our bobbies on the whole are competent enough to be making judgements and be given more powers that are likely to be abused. |
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Post by sinistral on Jul 24, 2010 19:38:57 GMT
I'm going to have to break off from this specific discussion as something rather curious has come to my attention.
Pippa.....you are falling down on your job!
The job,that is,of self appointed protector of Johnny's Moth.
You have been here,posting up links and threads from my board to show how certain people are "bullying" and "mobbing" the poor chap.
Well now....I was taking a look round the BBC and my eye was taken by a thread on TCIY.
A thread entitled Blatant cover up by the police.
Dear Johnny was getting a frightful kicking from a most vociferous gang of posters.
Shall I name them?
Well no...I think initials will do.
JK,HMJ,P,O,A and SA.
I can't think why you weren't there,by his side,protecting him.
Well yes I can actually.
Because.....
1. He was gamely sticking up for the police.....the only one sticking up for the police.
If I still bothered to post on the BBC I would have backed him.
The man has sound views on that subject.Do tell him I said so when you next share a thread.
2. None of the above are linked to the poster whose name has been bandied about here as the orchestrator of the "anti-Johnny" campaign.
3. None are,AFAIK,members of my board.....and so no lumps of anything unpleasant can be lobbed in that direction either.
Now....what was it you were saying about bullying and mobbing?
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