a little bit of Hafiz

pippa WH Member Posts: 230	a little bit of Hafiz Dec 4, 2009 20:51:42 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by pippa on Dec 4, 2009 20:51:42 GMT The small man Builds cages for everyone He Knows. While the sage, Who has to duck his head When the moon is low, Keeps dropping keys all night long For the Beautiful Rowdy Prisoners. --Hafiz
	"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate"

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a little bit of Hafiz Dec 5, 2009 11:27:46 GMT

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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 5, 2009 11:27:46 GMT

Lovely, pippa.

But which Hafiz was it?

Hafiz (Qur'an), a term used by Muslims for people who have completely memorized the Qur'an
Hafez or Khwajeh Shams al-Din Muhammad Hafez-e Shirazi, an Iranian mystic and poet. Sometimes credited as "Hafiz" or "Hafiz of Shiraz".
al-Hafiz (d. 1149), the eleventh Caliph of the Fatimids
Abdel Halim Hafez (1929-1977), Egyptian singer and actor
Hafez al-Assad (1930-2000), president of Syria from 1971 to 2000

Just think of it, liberated wimmin dressed up as mediaeval men with mitres on their heads and giving the "sacrament" of "marriage" to eachother.
You couldn't make it up!

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a little bit of Hafiz Dec 5, 2009 22:37:08 GMT

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Post by pippa on Dec 5, 2009 22:37:08 GMT

hafizmuch - good, isn't he?
i do hope you're not trying to catch me out marchesa, like Aubrey with Joe and the bach flowers?

those words come from Hafiz or Hafez - 14th century persian sufi poet who celebrates wine women and song. and, also exposing hyprocrisy of those who set themselves up as guardians, judges, and examples of moral rectitude. the same one, i believe (didn't know there were so many) who is the author of ' i heard god laughing'.
i've been to his tomb in Shiraz.

Last Edit: Dec 5, 2009 22:53:12 GMT by pippa

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate"

marchesarosa Global Warming Consultant Posts: 3,747	a little bit of Hafiz Dec 6, 2009 16:48:06 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by marchesarosa on Dec 6, 2009 16:48:06 GMT Catching people out with my great erudition is not my scene, pippa. Not that I could, anyway. It's the second one then.
	Just think of it, liberated wimmin dressed up as mediaeval men with mitres on their heads and giving the "sacrament" of "marriage" to eachother. You couldn't make it up!

pippa WH Member Posts: 230	a little bit of Hafiz Dec 6, 2009 20:29:23 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by pippa on Dec 6, 2009 20:29:23 GMT no i didn't think it was your style. you're much more straight forward than to set traps. i should have added one of those nudge/wink smilies to my question. 10/10. not only so many Hafez's, the spelling's confusing.
	"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum - even encourage the more critical and dissident views. That gives people the sense that there's free thinking going on, while all the time the presuppositions of the system are being reinforced by the limits put on the range of the debate"

Post by pippa on Dec 4, 2009 20:51:42 GMT

Post by marchesarosa on Dec 5, 2009 11:27:46 GMT

Post by pippa on Dec 5, 2009 22:37:08 GMT

Post by marchesarosa on Dec 6, 2009 16:48:06 GMT

Post by pippa on Dec 6, 2009 20:29:23 GMT