When Global Warming was on a roll!

[marchesarosa]

Indpendent Headline From 13 years ago

www.independent.co.uk/environment....ast-724017.html

Snowfalls are now just a thing of the past
BY CHARLES ONIANS MONDAY 20 MARCH 2000

Britain's winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.

Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters - which scientists are attributing to global climate change - produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries.

The first two months of 2000 were virtually free of significant snowfall in much of lowland Britain, and December brought only moderate snowfall in the South-east. It is the continuation of a trend that has been increasingly visible in the past 15 years: in the south of England, for instance, from 1970 to 1995 snow and sleet fell for an average of 3.7 days, while from 1988 to 1995 the average was 0.7 days. London's last substantial snowfall was in February 1991.

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. Average temperatures in Britain were nearly 0.6°C higher in the Nineties than in 1960-90, and it is estimated that they will increase by 0.2C every decade over the coming century. Eight of the 10 hottest years on record occurred in the Nineties.

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

[marchesarosa]

NB

See how the message from the climate "scientists" changed over time, aubrey? Back then WARMER UK winters were due to global warming. Now its COLDER winters that are due to global warming.

Funny they weren't able to tell us about the COLDER winters back in 2000. Isn't hindsight a great thing when you're a member of the IPCC?

People who become knowledgeable after the event are shysters, aubrey. There also seems to be a lesson here about not letting the tail of VERY short trends in weather wag the dog of climate science. You would think "climate scientists" would have learned that at school, wouldn't you?

[aubrey]

And there's never been any problem at all, then?

Bye the bye, how can you call most climate scientists "Shysters," at the same time as as praising a delusional cretin like Monckton?

[marchesarosa]

Monckton presents the case against the IPCC's so-called "science" very well. He is extremely well-informed about it. I have never heard YOU utter anything that demonstrates any understanding of the debates at all. You rely on second hand, ill-understood platitudes and ad hominems.

[aubrey]

"Member of the House of Lords" (he's not); "Margaret Thatcher's Special Science Adviser" (he wasn't).

How do you know he's not lying now?

[marchesarosa]

Because i don't take someone's word for it, aubrey. I check. when you have been studying climate along as I have you know where to go for the facts as opposed to the opinions.

If I may say so, the quality of your "arguments" are abysmal, aubrey. You insist on participating in threads about climate yet never offer any data to support your case at all, merely the argument from authority and the ad hominem.

You seem to think that calling someone "right wing" is enough to discredit their case while you choose to remain ignorant of undisputed facts and data and are obliged to depend upon ad hominems because you don't have any better argument to support your beliefs.

Your obsession with Viscount Monckton is very curious indeed! Is it because he is a toff like Ridley? My, my, how your petty class consciousness does warp your critical faculties!

[aubrey]

It's because you brought him up and said how great he was, how wise etc. I just pointed out that he has a history of fantasising and false claims. And if you post a picture of someone for no other reason (that I could see) than to mock his looks (if it wasn't that, why was it?), then, you know.

I do think that the fact that the anti AGW lot are mostly right wing, and mostly funded by organisations and companies that fund other right-wing causes is telling. Don't you? The science is irrelevant. Most of the people funding your side are not interested in the science, unless they can twist it to make look like it supports their view, and "ask questions."

The people who don't agree with you are not stupid, as Nick says they are, and they're not lying; you have to credit them with some decency.

[marchesarosa]

And there's never been any problem at all, then?

Strangely, probably not, aubrey - at least not due to CO2.

There are plenty of other pressing matters that need our attention, however! So, never mind, eh, you'll soon find some other social iniquity to blame yourself, capitalism and the rest of us for!

Let's just hope it is founded in reality and not some alarmism about a non-problem.

[pippop]

Mar 29, 2013 10:35:59 GMT marchesarosa said:

And there's never been any problem at all, then?

Strangely, probably not, aubrey - at least not due to CO2.

There are plenty of other matters that need out attention, however! so, never mind, eh. You'll soon find some other social iniquity to blame yourself and the rest of the West for!

Slavery.

[marchesarosa]

Sure! That's a major iniquity. If the West spent as much on extirpating modern slavery from our midst as it has on windmills and the rest of the circus built around AGW we really could talk about progress.

Any other suggestions, pippop, to replace "global warming" as top of the UK's agenda?

[pippop]

Mar 29, 2013 10:55:38 GMT marchesarosa said:

Sure! That's a major iniquity. If the West spent as much on extirpating modern slavery from our midst as it has on windmills and the rest of the circus built around AGW we really could talk about progress.

Any other suggestions, pippop, to replace "global warming" as top of the UK's agenda?

What do you mean "other"?

[marchesarosa]

What do you mean "other"?

Apart from Slavery, of course.

You REALLy do have a problem with comprehension, don't you?

[pippop]

Mar 29, 2013 11:18:49 GMT marchesarosa said:

What do you mean "other"?

Apart from Slavery, of course.

You REALLy do have a problem with comprehension, don't you?

I think you have the problem communicating. You see when you said...

Any other suggestions, pippop, to replace "global warming" as top of the UK's agenda?

...I really wasn't sure what you were getting at as I had not made ANY such suggestions. Hence my querying your use of the word "other".

Do you understand now?

[marchesarosa]

Any thoughts on why BOTH WARMER winters and COLDER winters in the UK are due to anthropogenic global warming, pippop?

Here's a graph for you if you are in any doubt that the uk's temperature has been falling recently.

(You can read a graph?)

[marchesarosa]

In 2002, The UK government announced that global warming would wreck the UK by 2012

The report, “Health Effects of Climate Change in the UK”, was written by Professor Bob Maynard and colleagues with the Health Protection Agency. It is being issued as official government advice to hospitals, nursing homes, and other medical institutions run by the government’s nationalized health care system.

It said

Global Warming Effects Could Kill 10,000 in the UK by 2012

A report released by the British government warned the country’s National Health System to expect thousands more deaths and complications from heatwaves, malaria, and contaminated water as global warming effects progress in the next five year...

The biggest danger to health, and the most likely to occur, is a major heatwave. The report predicts a heatwave will occur by 2012, causing between 3,000 and 10,000 deaths.