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Post by admin on Dec 8, 2009 21:46:28 GMT
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 8, 2009 22:55:33 GMT
You feel humble in the face of commitment like this. It would be so easy for him and others like him to just give up and just fade into the background.
It's like the commitment of the Italian prosecutors Falcone and Borsellino to bringing the mafia to justice, knowing that any time they could be murdered (and they were).
Brave men indeed.
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Post by aqua on Dec 8, 2009 23:29:58 GMT
Yep.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 8, 2009 23:48:06 GMT
And the soldiers who calmly dismantle roadside bombs and mines.
Dedication beyond the call of duty.
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Post by admin on Dec 9, 2009 8:12:48 GMT
I found him arrogant and ammoral did you? he certainly got a bit stroppy about the misuse of emotive words such as mother and child when woman and embryo would be accurate. IA person who earns his living by aborting children! he'd probably tear you a new one for that sentence! |
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Post by pippa on Dec 9, 2009 8:45:22 GMT
i thought it was an excellent interview which he handled extremely well. he gave an articulate and rational answer to every point made.
seeing as abortions are going to happen no matter what it is comforting to know there are people like him out there in the world capable and compassionate and brave enough risk their own lives.
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Post by arealfarmer on Dec 9, 2009 9:55:26 GMT
Thirty -three weeks though ! Might as well just give birth and then club the bugger on the floor .
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Post by aubrey on Dec 9, 2009 10:11:39 GMT
If terminations were easier to get you wouldn't have so many late ones.
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Post by Jade on Dec 9, 2009 10:50:28 GMT
If you take the view that every single human deserves a life, even at the expense of the mother's peace of mind, then Libjoe is right
After all, its only 9 months of being out of shape.
But not everyone takes that view, and indeed I did not hold that view when I was more likely to have my life disrupted by an unwanted pregnancy. I am more ambivalent now.
I am uncertain what emotional and psychological harms result from having an unwanted child and giving it away. I do know that lives are changed forever by babies, wanted or otherwise, and if that change is not welcomed then this leads to wondering which is more important - the right of the mother to live the life she planned or the child to survive to th epoint that it become a "viable"
I have no problem using terms like "mother" and "child" in this context. Even where whose terms are only temporarily relevant.
Another example where one's own beliefs are not shared across society, I suppose. So Society, through the democratic process, ensures its will is known.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 9, 2009 11:15:09 GMT
I agree with farmer about very late abortions where the foetus is viable. By that time the unwilling mother has already gone through most of the trauma. It makes no sense NOT to continue for a few more weeks.
However when a severely handicapped late foetus is concerned I can understand the impulse to wish to spare the family the life-long care of such an offspring. Families throughout history and throughout cultures have practised infanticide, whether actively or through the neglect of such infants. The endless, years-long vigils in hospital wards before the life support systems are finally turned off can and should be avoided.
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Post by Jade on Dec 9, 2009 11:35:19 GMT
I do agree - Stephen Hawking notwithstanding
(o dear was that a pun too far?)
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