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Post by jean on Nov 25, 2013 8:45:12 GMT
I suspect, Nick, that you have so irritated the posters on those Philosophically-oriented messageboards you frequent that they won't talk to you any more, and you're forced to come back here after your long absence to find someone to have a scrap with.
We've played into your hands, unfortunately.
Go away now, and find someone else to play with.
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Post by aviatrix on Nov 25, 2013 11:00:17 GMT
Yeah - and are you ever actually going to answer Nay's question? Or Marchesa's? Anyone's? Or are you like Jean just happy insinuating insults if you can't think of anything to support your position? And what would that be, I wonder? This socialist heaven you realised as a privileged middle-class hippy in the 70s you could enjoy a career forging? Well - first and foremost, let's enlarge the State as much as possible: get it into everything, from cradle to grave. Everyone working for the State; everyone owing their existence to the State. Then everyone can be "equal". Except us, of course - we are the State. We deserve a little bit more for all our brain power, shaping this glorious heaven of equality. We deserve to retire to Godalming, on our superannuated final-salary gold-plated pensions. The workers, what poor deluded suckers are still hanging around, can have it too, one day, when we've finally got rid of the capitalists - we can import millions upon millions of cheap foreign labour to earn it for us. We won't tell anyone that's what we're doing, cos they're ignorant racists, of course, not having had the benefit of our enlightened studies at whatever second-rate redbrick university we loafed our way through, and they might object to their wages being deflated, housing being put out of their reach (oh good - they'll have to have us as their landlords, as it should be), or their communties being unrecognisably reshaped (oh good - brave new world!) We'll throw borrowed or printed money (spit, hiss, boo) at them, and make them all sucklers on our tits, and by the time they figure out what's happening it'll be easy to paint them as racist, fascist extremists, clinging to some antiquated pastoral vision of village-cricket olde England. Otherwise those of us at the BBC - such a shame we can't make them all take the Guardian, but we've got to keep up some sort of pretence - will quietly and subliminally educate them in the wisdom of our ways. By which time the working classes will have become ever more impoverished, compared to people like us, and ever more infantile and dependent, on people like us, and all the money and wisdom we can give to them. But that's all as it should be - the poor children, looking up to us, their wise guardians; just as it should be that we, their wise guardians, are rolling in unearned wealth, justly taken as donations from the sweat of their labours in order that we can guide them to the future. How hard we've had to work for it! That's about it, isn't it, Mr.Godalming MBE? (Hic!)
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Post by jean on Nov 25, 2013 11:02:02 GMT
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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 25, 2013 15:09:05 GMT
Yes, indeed, we were, nay. -Aqua, me, you, jean et al.
My parents were both atheists but nevertheless I absorbed the Christian cultural/social influence just like everyone else. Whether we later explicitly rejected the idea of God is neither here nor there. Given a choice I bet aqua would prefer his wishwashy "culturally" Christian upbringing with all the freedoms we enjoy that go along with our enlightenment heritage than that offered by a muslim madrassa.
Aqua is a fool to spend so many words gainsaying my statement that he was lucky to have been raised a Christian in an enlightened nation. Seems his brush with Islam has addled his brain. He doesn't seem to know which side his bread is buttered.
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Post by aquatic on Nov 25, 2013 15:51:38 GMT
I have no problem saying I'm glad I grew up in Britain rather than an Islamic nation. What I objected to was your presumption that I was raised (as) a Christian. To me the term 'raised (as) a Christian' has a much more specific and meaningful meaning than you seem to be prepared to give it.
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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 25, 2013 16:58:52 GMT
Yeah, well, aqua, we've discussed cultural Christianity before.
Our ol' pal visitor, for example, WAS raised a Christian, WAS confirmed and is now herself besotted with Islam. No accounting for taste is there?
You can take a horticulture but you can't make her think!
That's the basis of the freedom of thought we enjoy in the West, I guess. Long may it be so and down with all totalitarian creeds.
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Post by ncsonde on Nov 26, 2013 13:30:30 GMT
I suspect, Nick, that you have so irritated the posters on those Philosophically-oriented messageboards you frequent that they won't talk to you any more, and you're forced to come back here after your long absence to find someone to have a scrap with. No, I just noticed after my absence that during that time of several months there'd only been about half a dozen posts on this board, nearly all of them from Nay. I thought he might appreciate some company. Not that I've noticed. One day one of you might actually respond to points and questions put to you, who knows. But who will be left then for you to attempt to ridicule? Surely even you are not satisfied with the easy pickings of Exco? ;D
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Post by ncsonde on Nov 26, 2013 13:31:17 GMT
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Post by ncsonde on Nov 26, 2013 13:32:17 GMT
If only you could make as much sense sober.
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Post by jean on Nov 26, 2013 18:26:05 GMT
...But who will be left then for you to attempt to ridicule?... It takes great arrogance to suppose that when someone points out to you where you've expressed yourself less than clearly, they're attempting to ridicule you. Great arrogance, or great insecurity.
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Post by ncsonde on Nov 26, 2013 22:29:26 GMT
...But who will be left then for you to attempt to ridicule?... It takes great arrogance to suppose that when someone points out to you where you've expressed yourself less than clearly, they're attempting to ridicule you. I'm sure we could all benefit from your great expertise on being arrogant, jean, but after making such an obvious dimwit of yourself, despite being warned several times, this is probably not the best time to press through with your superior teacher act. Oh no, I'm not the average girl student with excess testosterone here, dear.
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Post by aquatic on Nov 27, 2013 0:09:00 GMT
Rude, or what?
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Post by ncsonde on Nov 27, 2013 0:57:21 GMT
Generous. That's three years worth at least of painful psychoanalysis she's got there, for free. And I haven't terminated her therapy, in exasperation.
Would you like to make an appointment?
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Post by aviatrix on Nov 27, 2013 11:57:08 GMT
He'll want to do everybody's fucking horoscope next.
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Post by ncsonde on Nov 27, 2013 13:28:46 GMT
Already done long ago, Sheila. That's how I know you've really got an arse like two understuffed bean bags.
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