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Post by cleefarqhuar on May 21, 2014 8:39:24 GMT
I will vote UKIP, not because I respect Mr Farage’s leadership, nor have faith in their ‘policies’ (such as they exist), not because they present a compelling coherent and articulate analysis of the British political system, nor because of the calibre of their senior people, and certainly not because I admire their organisational skills
I will vote UKIP for one simple reason. To kick the main three political parties where it hurts most.
Because our political system has lost touch with democracy and we are governed by people, indistinguishable in appearance, outlook or speech, who give not one hoot for the ‘democratic will’ except to treat it with contempt.
We have Cameron who gave us a ‘cast iron’ guarantee on an EU referendum then wriggled out of that and imposed a 3-line whip against a Commons motion on an EU referendum. He railroaded through the Gay marriage Bill relying upon the bien pensant Labour vote. He promised to reduce immigration to ‘tens of thousands’ (but not just yet) and immigration continues at the appallingly high levels of the Labour years.
Milliband drones on about the ‘shame’ of low wages yet was a member of the very government that guaranteed low wages by letting in millions of people to compete for the lowest paid jobs. He talks of ‘fuel poverty’ and how he will rectify this great injustice, yet he was the very Minister in the Labour government that introduced the ruinous ‘green’ energy policies that have caused high energy prices. He says he will ‘address’ the concerns of the electorate over immigration but will not tell us what he will do!
Absolutely scandalous hypocrisy and a scandalously barefaced contempt for the electorate!
Then the gauche schoolboy head prefect Clegg who deems fit to lecture us on everything including ‘patriotism’. He does not hesitate to tell lies to bolster his arguments. Hence his big lie that withdrawal from the EU will cost Britain three million jobs. This man is not fit to govern a democracy and needs to be told so
In the face of such obvious contempt for truth and democracy in our three main parties one must look for an alternative vote that will frighten these people into taking note that Britain is not just a nominal democracy but a real democracy
That is the sole purpose of UKIP in my opinion. It is a protest party, but a very useful protect party that can be used to restore true democracy to our country
I will vote UKIP tomorrow
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Post by aquatic on May 21, 2014 23:04:22 GMT
I will vote UKIP for one simple reason. To kick the main three political parties where it hurts most. Because our political system has lost touch with democracy and we are governed by people, indistinguishable in appearance, outlook or speech, who give not one hoot for the ‘democratic will’ except to treat it with contempt. So surely we should go republican. I would. This time, after a decade or more, I might vote Labour, tho, as Blair's image has faded quite a lot. |
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Post by marchesarosa on May 22, 2014 14:17:42 GMT
Me too! I already have, in fact, last week. I have a postal vote. There will be a large Eurosceptic bloc in the next EU parliament - not that the EU parliament has any power other than to rubber stamp bureaucratic and other non-democratic decisions!
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Post by aquatic on May 22, 2014 23:29:25 GMT
Ever participated in collaborative ventures for EU purposes, for everyone's benefit?
It's awesome, the effort the continentals put into it. 'We', however, tend to remain ignorant/arrogant.
Anyway, why can't you be bothered to go to the polling station? (Sorry, if you're immobile.)
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Post by marchesarosa on May 23, 2014 20:30:16 GMT
I have a postal vote simply for convenience, aqua. I might forget on the day or it might be raining hard (like yesterday). There used to be a polling station at the bottom of my street which was handy but it was closed and I have no idea where the replacement is.
In my ward Labour won with 2063 votes and UKIP was second with 1288. Conservatives were third with 499, Greens fourth with 284 and LibDems last with 130. Turnout was 28.72%
As for collaborative ventures, the whole nation state is a collaborative venture, isn't it? We don't need a superstate in order to collaborate. Britain has always been outward looking in trade. Trade would not come to a full stop because we left the EU. They sell more to us than we do to them, anyway. It's mutually beneficial whether or not we are in a customs union. Why should the EU impose tariffs on us when retaliation would affect them more than us?
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Post by jean on May 27, 2014 22:23:36 GMT
In my ward, the results were Green Party 2130 60.10% Labour Party 1078 30.42% Conservative Party 112 3.16% Liberal Democrat 80 2.26% Trade Unionist & Socialist Coalition 69 1.95% English Democrats 60 1.69% Liberal Party 15 0.42% UKIP? Never heard of them.  |
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Post by cleefarqhuar on May 28, 2014 7:32:40 GMT
The Green Party?
Once the haven for nice caring people, now the bastion of that intolerant neo-fascism that expels members because their views are not PC!
What on earth opposing gay marriage has to do with Green issues only a fanatic would attempt to explain!
The previous leader , whose comelines at least belied her fanaticism is now replaced by a harridan entirely befitting the role - ugly in appearance and speech with that blind self-belief that only a fanatical neo-fascist (of the right or left) could possess
Liverpool is welcome to embrace such an illiberal exclusive party
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Post by marchesarosa on May 28, 2014 8:05:12 GMT
UkIP did not stand in your ward, jean.
Did Greens stand in every single ward nationwide? If not, why not?
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Post by jean on May 28, 2014 8:30:37 GMT
UkIP did not stand in your ward, jean. They knew better than to waste their efforts where no-one would have voted for them. They stood in the majority. Why do you ask? |
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Post by jean on May 28, 2014 9:02:27 GMT
...What on earth opposing gay marriage has to do with Green issues only a fanatic would attempt to explain!... They don't really need to explain that, because opposing gay marriage isn't Green Party policy. It isn't the policy of any mainstream party as far as I'm aware. UKIP is something else, however. I'm not surprised you voted for them, cleefy: It only took five days… or amazingly it took five whole days, but Ukip has suspended one of its newly-elected councillors after the fledgling politician was allegedly caught tweeting about "perverts", "poofs and dykes" and "Pakis".
Dave Small, a fresh face on Redditch Borough Council since Thursday, is to be investigated by the party for allegedly posting homophobic and racist remarks on social media. The councillor won the Church Hill ward by a hefty 665 votes, however he could soon find himself turfed out of Ukip should they conclude wrongdoing.
"Dave Small has been suspended with immediate effect, pending a disciplinary hearing to determine the final outcome," said a Ukip spokesman.
It was reported that in February 2013, Small posted tweets about equal marriage ("poofs and dykes") and gay people ("perverts"). |
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Post by cleefarqhuar on May 28, 2014 9:44:50 GMT
They don't really need to explain that, because opposing gay marriage isn't Green Party policy. Then I wonder why Christina Summers was expelled? Perhaps not policy but overwhelming prejudice? UKIP is something else, however. I'm not surprised you voted for them, cleefy: It only took five days… or amazingly it took five whole days, but Ukip has suspended one of its newly-elected councillors after the fledgling politician was allegedly caught tweeting about "perverts", "poofs and dykes" and "Pakis".
Dave Small, a fresh face on Redditch Borough Council since Thursday, is to be investigated by the party for allegedly posting homophobic and racist remarks on social media. The councillor won the Church Hill ward by a hefty 665 votes, however he could soon find himself turfed out of Ukip should they conclude wrongdoing.
"Dave Small has been suspended with immediate effect, pending a disciplinary hearing to determine the final outcome," said a Ukip spokesman.
It was reported that in February 2013, Small posted tweets about equal marriage ("poofs and dykes") and gay people ("perverts").I assume that you mean I voted for them because I agree with the views of the foolish Mr Small? You evidently choose to ignore my OP As you wish You apparently also cannot see the difference between expelling a member because of perfectly reasonable Christian views on marriage and investigating a person holding Public Office because of using grossly insulting language in public So be it The blindness of absolute self-belief |
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Post by marchesarosa on May 28, 2014 15:29:54 GMT
Because the absence of UKIP from your ward line-up was as unexceptional as the Green's absence elsewhere, wasn't it?
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Post by marchesarosa on May 28, 2014 16:04:09 GMT
Christine Summers was excluded from the Green Group on Brighton Council but not expelled from the National Green Party for her opposition to Gay Marriage. Presumably the national Green party did not want to get embroiled in Brighton's gay political arguments. Maybe they didn't want to alienate other Christians who might somehow have slipped through their membership procedure?
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Post by jean on May 29, 2014 7:53:50 GMT
...the absence of UKIP from your ward line-up was as unexceptional as the Green's absence elsewhere, wasn't it? I suspect it was highly calculated. As UKIP were really scraping the barrel to get together enough candidates to stand in what they thought might be winnable seats, they weren't going to waste one of them on an unwinnable seat like St Michaels. The BNP never wasted a candidate on us either. In fact, it probably won't surprise you to know that while UKIP didn't do particularly well in Liverpool overall (they gained no seats) they did best in those wards where the BNP had previously made the strongest showing. |
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Post by marchesarosa on May 29, 2014 10:26:25 GMT
Of course the choice of which seats to stand in is "calculated", jean. Are you some sort of political naive? That's why the Greens chose Brighton!
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