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Post by cleefarqhuar on Jul 16, 2014 12:51:47 GMT
The shallowly ambitious PM Cameron, he of the appalling judgement, prattles about how his new Cabinet 'reflects modern Britain', presumably because it contains a few more women and an ethic minority person As if the population gives two hoots about our government having more minorities! Presumably Bullingdonians are also a minority and hence it is fully justified in including them in the Cabinet
And he has weakened to the barrage of public vilification and abuse and removed one of his most effective Cabinet Ministers (there are only two effective Cabinet Ministers), Gove
Mr Gove was very effectivelty transforming our disgraceful education system that utterly fails so many of our children He was enabling parental choice and the expansion of good schools and the elimination of the bad, through the vehicle of Free Schools and Academies
These etablishments are seen as a threat to the stability of the educational establishment that has presided over our failed educational system for so long, the vested interests that are happy to see 25% of our children leave school functionally iliterate (whatever that may mean)
Without Gove driving the reforms perhaps they will wither on the vine, much to the delight of mainstream 'educationalists'
Just another example of the appalling judgement of this appalling PM
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Post by Jonjel on Jul 16, 2014 14:03:25 GMT
Not at all. Most of the reforms which Gove implemented have been put in place, so effectively, job done.
In my view he was shifted sideways precisely because he was so effective. He upset a few too many people
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Post by jean on Jul 16, 2014 14:54:32 GMT
Gove achieved nothing of any use, and damaged much that was already working well.
But I know that neither of you has any real knowledge of the matter, so I forgive you.
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Post by Jonjel on Jul 16, 2014 15:19:29 GMT
C'mon Jean, lets keep it civil.
You are far more knowledgeable about this than I am, but I do sometimes read the papers and try to keep up to speed in other ways.
All I will say is if he achieved nothing then why was he loathed by quite a number of the teaching profession? And why do they appear to be overjoyed he has gone. I can't believe they are ALL labour supports. Are they?
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Post by aquatic on Jul 16, 2014 21:27:54 GMT
People say that Gove was only opposed by teachers. This isn't true.
Lots of parents and grandparents hate Gove's educational ethos, built upon Blair's.
So even more parents and grandparents hate Gove's ethos.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Jul 17, 2014 6:50:07 GMT
People say that Gove was only opposed by teachers. This isn't true. Lots of parents and grandparents hate Gove's educational ethos, built upon Blair's. So even more parents and grandparents hate Gove's ethos. This may well be true. But you can bet your bottom dollar that those parents and grandparents that hate Gove's ethos do not have their children attending our no-hope sink schools (with no opt-out to better schools)where their children are guaranteed to fail Surely a person like you,aqua, can see that such appalling schools are a product of an ossified educational system and that a system that offers hope for these children with better schools must be for the good Look to the Scandanavian model (the basis of Blair and Goves reforms)where 'free' schools are flourishing
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Post by jean on Jul 17, 2014 7:39:54 GMT
It's a bit difficult to see why parents and grandparents with children at so-called 'sink' schools would be supportive of Gove, since they're the ones for whom his 'reforms' have most definitely not worked. Meanwhile, in Sweden: Swedish results fall abruptly as free school revolution falters
Once a shining example for Michael Gove Sweden has now recorded the largest drop in maths performance over 10 years
Sweden's education system has often been cited by Michael Gove as a role model, especially for its policy of state-sponsored free schools providing increased choice for parents. In 2008 Gove told the Conservative party conference that Sweden's school reforms would be introduced if he was in government – and in 2010 promptly did so, with the advent of free schools.
A few years later and Sweden's star has dimmed. The 2012 Pisa results show Sweden's exam results falling abruptly across all three measures of reading, maths and science – with the country recording the largest drop in maths performance over 10 years. Anna Ekström, head of Sweden's National Education Agency, said in response: "The bleak picture has become bleaker with the Pisa review that was presented today."
Dr Susanne Wiborg of London's Institute of Education said: "The Swedish free schools have played an indirect role in the decline of the Pisa scores over the last decade. However, the question still remains to what extent these schools actually can be blamed for this."
In recent months a number of for-profit companies running free schools in Sweden have been in financial difficulties, while a recent TV exposé revealed that the state-funded privately-run schools were prepared to bend selection rules to admit bright pupils.
Sweden's education minister, Jan Björklund, said the Pisa results were "the final nail in the coffin for the old school reform," and speculated that the central government could take over running schools from Sweden's municipalities.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Jul 17, 2014 7:49:06 GMT
It's a bit difficult to see why parents and grandparents with children at so-called 'sink' schools would be supportive of Gove, since they're the ones for whom his 'reforms' have most definitely not worked. Meanwhile, in Sweden: Swedish results fall abruptly as free school revolution falters
Once a shining example for Michael Gove Sweden has now recorded the largest drop in maths performance over 10 years
Sweden's education system has often been cited by Michael Gove as a role model, especially for its policy of state-sponsored free schools providing increased choice for parents. In 2008 Gove told the Conservative party conference that Sweden's school reforms would be introduced if he was in government – and in 2010 promptly did so, with the advent of free schools.
A few years later and Sweden's star has dimmed. The 2012 Pisa results show Sweden's exam results falling abruptly across all three measures of reading, maths and science – with the country recording the largest drop in maths performance over 10 years. Anna Ekström, head of Sweden's National Education Agency, said in response: "The bleak picture has become bleaker with the Pisa review that was presented today."
Dr Susanne Wiborg of London's Institute of Education said: "The Swedish free schools have played an indirect role in the decline of the Pisa scores over the last decade. However, the question still remains to what extent these schools actually can be blamed for this."
In recent months a number of for-profit companies running free schools in Sweden have been in financial difficulties, while a recent TV exposé revealed that the state-funded privately-run schools were prepared to bend selection rules to admit bright pupils.
Sweden's education minister, Jan Björklund, said the Pisa results were "the final nail in the coffin for the old school reform," and speculated that the central government could take over running schools from Sweden's municipalities.
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Post by jean on Jul 17, 2014 8:04:58 GMT
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Jul 17, 2014 8:16:38 GMT
Thanks for highlighting that paragraph, cleefy. But it does not read like a ringing endorsement to me. Far better to try and fail than to think up reasons not to do anything You have definitively reached the conclusion that Gove's reforms will not work without any supporting proof apart from your leftist dogma Let's just muddle along as we are eh? Who gives a bugger for those poor kids that your dogma fails
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Post by jean on Jul 17, 2014 8:27:10 GMT
I have the direct evidence of having taught myself in a selective school, from which so many potential problems had been removed.
I have the evidence of a close relative who struggles as deputy head of a primary school, more than a third of whose pupils have been thrown out of other schools.
And although I have only secondary evidence of this - that is, talking to parents of children who are pupils there - I am aware that in spite of trhe new name and the smart new uniform, the local comprehensive has just had its worst OFSTED report ever since becoming an Academy.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Jul 17, 2014 10:50:16 GMT
I have the direct evidence of having taught myself in a selective school, from which so many potential problems had been removed. I have the evidence of a close relative who struggles as deputy head of a primary school, more than a third of whose pupils have been thrown out of other schools. And although I have only secondary evidence of this - that is, talking to parents of children who are pupils there - I am aware that in spite of trhe new name and the smart new uniform, the local comprehensive has just had its worst OFSTED report ever since becoming an Academy. The trouble with your 'evidence' is that 'free' schools and Academies are not selective, so your experience is irrelevant Certainly some Academies and free schools will fail, but the underlying idea is that such failing schools will lose pupils to successful schools as parents take advantage of their choices - choice that is only available to the comparatively wealthy today Your citing of one failed Academy to condemn the whole ethos of 'free' schools and Academies is absurd, worthy of the wild reasoning of an Exco or Aubrey
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Post by jean on Jul 17, 2014 11:08:22 GMT
The trouble with your 'evidence' is that 'free' schools and Academies are not selective... Pull the other one, cleefy. Academies vary in their selection criteria, true. Free schools are selective by their very nature.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Jul 17, 2014 11:29:46 GMT
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Post by jean on Jul 17, 2014 11:39:48 GMT
3. Free schools Free schools are funded by the government but aren’t run by the local council. They have more control over how they do things. They’re ‘all-ability’ schools, so can’t use academic selection processes like a grammar school. Who said anything about selection by ability? Selecting by parental attitude and degree of supportiveness is absolutely the most important thing in assuring a smoothly running school free of the disruption that makes things so difficult for any school that has to take anyone who applies. If the parent of a pupil at a free school turns up and threatens to punch a teacher in the face because the school has disciplined their child, do you think that child's continuing presence in the Free School is assured?
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