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Post by jean on Jan 4, 2010 13:53:43 GMT
... i would make it easier for various non-profit bodies and trusts to set up private educational institutions and I would finance them from the public purse... I cannot for the life of me see how you could frame the necessary guidelines so as to include everyone except Muslims. And I agree with aqua about the effect of allowing 'private wealth (and selection) to dominate'. How can that possibly be of any benefit to the children of the underclass?
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Post by sinistral on Jan 4, 2010 14:37:09 GMT
quite toady, really quite toady lets get back to the actual issue shall we ladies, instead of you both doing the playground bully thing of pointing and catcalling? Priceless.......absolutely priceless....... ;D Let's get back to issues shall we....let's not point and catcall...... But hey!....... When someone disagrees with me I'll start jeering toady,toady!Ha bloody ha.
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Post by Jade on Jan 4, 2010 14:49:30 GMT
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Post by sinistral on Jan 4, 2010 14:51:52 GMT
How do you know if children are disadvantaged by home education anyway? lark gave a good example earlier in this thread, sinistral: Nobody is suggesting that this, or any other of the possible disadvantages a home-'educated' child may suffer, always happens, or even often does. But that it can happen at all is because of the fact that And that needs to nbe addressed, somehow or other. There's considerable disquiet about the new proposals, as my OP showed. But have you got a better idea of how to do it? Yes Jean,it was an example....singular. If I read it correctly this was a case of a Mother at the end of her tether because the authorities could not/would not do anything about bullying. More a case of quality of childhood than education. Of course some home education,without checks and guidelines,will be poor. But state education has countless rules and regs yet standards of learning can be poor and abuse can occur. I would prefer the existing system be overhauled to pick up on state education shortcomings first rather than have it's flaws transferred into the home.
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Post by sinistral on Jan 4, 2010 14:54:27 GMT
and your thoughts on home schooling? ? Sorry Jade.....was that directed at me? I was busy answering Jean who prepared to listen rather than just shout toad when she sees something she disagrees with.
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Post by Jade on Jan 4, 2010 15:01:48 GMT
And, as I do agree with what you have said above, there is not a toad in sight
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Post by sinistral on Jan 4, 2010 15:03:36 GMT
However, you may want to know what is demanded of home - schoolers (which is pitifully little) What's required of you - the facts about home education are:
you do not need to be a qualified teacher to educate your child at home gordon bennett. bluddy bits of paper again. means nothing. a piece of paper may say you know your subject but doesn't mean to say you are a good teacher or can impart knowledge in a constructive and valuable way. doesn't mean you are a good communicator. i'd say more people are better qualified who do not necessarily have that precious piece of paper. an a jolly good thing too in each instance. national testing is not the best means to evaluate a child's capabilities. since when is 9-5 the only way to learn? ahh... but the state doesn't do this does it? and certainly not adequately. in some cases it does but the vast majority of children who have special educational needs slip through the net because teachers are struggling to maintain crowd control in over sized under resourced classrooms. even if a home educated child does have special educational need the local authority is obliged to help but the don't. they basically don't care and many parents with children that have special educational needs battle like mad to acquire extra help they are entitled to. (extra help that should but often isn't available at school) . remember each child that is home educated is saving the state £2,000 per year. quite. not everyone makes the assumption schools are adequate. any school for that matter - it's the law. the procedure is to inform the school in writing that you intend to remove your child and the school by law must inform the local authority otherwise the school will still be paid for a child who is not on their books. precisely what is the point to follow these- what's so wonderful about 9-5? a typical learning activity at home might involve cooking or baking (barely available at school these days) where all sorts of learning tasks are involved. arithmetic, quantities weights and measures plus a delicious something to eat afterwards, the family meal for instance.. or it may involve a jaunt to the beach learning about fossils flaura, and fauna, geography, geology all incorporated into a fun and enjoyable day of learning rather than being cooped up in an unruly classroom all day long with some stiffling old bore. schools do not stretch kids enough. and its amazing how little general knowledge kids at school learn. well there are actually specifically for children with special educational needs but trying to access them is like squeezing blood out of a stone. i did voluntary work for an organisation that helped parents access some of these carefully guarded pennies from the LA. hahahaha hillarious. they do not unless forced to. oh yes without doubt it can offer a far more varied, interesting, and much more fun form of education. more should try it. Great post,Pippa
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 4, 2010 16:52:31 GMT
I was not suggesting more selective private education, aqua, just more private education per se. It could be private comprehensive education or specialised education eg science, technology, engineering. I think we already have enough arts/humanities education. I would not want to encourage more of it.
It would be the parents, not the schools, who did the "selecting" by choosing to deposit their vouchers (for the full cost of education) where they wished. I think the state education model has become so set in stone that something really radical needs doing to shake it up and genuinely free up alternative educational initiatives - LOTS of 'em!
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Post by lark descending on Jan 5, 2010 12:56:43 GMT
lark gave a good example earlier in this thread, sinistral: Nobody is suggesting that this, or any other of the possible disadvantages a home-'educated' child may suffer, always happens, or even often does. But that it can happen at all is because of the fact that And that needs to nbe addressed, somehow or other. There's considerable disquiet about the new proposals, as my OP showed. But have you got a better idea of how to do it? Yes Jean,it was an example....singular. If I read it correctly this was a case of a Mother at the end of her tether because the authorities could not/would not do anything about bullying. More a case of quality of childhood than education. Of course some home education,without checks and guidelines,will be poor. But state education has countless rules and regs yet standards of learning can be poor and abuse can occur. I would prefer the existing system be overhauled to pick up on state education shortcomings first rather than have it's flaws transferred into the home. I don't personally know the woman concerned, who is a friend of a close friend, who was concerned that the children were missing out on education. They were good at sport and they were taken to clubs and competitions - but the eldest child took no exams at 16 and the younger (apparently very bright) is floundering, having missed out on two years of secondary education. It is quite possible that if the eldest child had been made to go to school he would have learnt nothing anyway because he was so terrified and miserable. My friend says he is a little strange and thus likely to be the target of bullies anywhere. The younger one was desperate to go to any school and was kept at home as part of the plan to get both children into a school with a good reputation in a different town. The younger one is apparently bright, but missed out on two years of secondary education and is floundering. If the decision was right for the elder, it most certainly was not right for both.
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Post by pippa on Jan 6, 2010 14:01:56 GMT
Great post,Pippa thanks Sin. in the type of situation Lark cites, its often difficult to know what to do for the best. hindsight and all that.... however although the younger lad missed out by not being at school i wonder how many (a huge amount no doubt) children who have had a formal education that wasn't at all suited to their needs would have benefited and positively flourished in a different schooling environment.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jan 28, 2010 14:03:01 GMT
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Post by Jade on Feb 3, 2010 13:29:28 GMT
did anyone see a recent programme about it showcasing home educated kids?
made me really worried about what they were doing all day. I am sure they are enjoying their time all day but even the inspector was worried that they were missing the basics.
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Post by lark descending on Feb 4, 2010 7:41:23 GMT
I hated my secondary school but most certainly would not have wanted to be educated at home. My mother was a mother, not a teacher, and we were in enough conflict without the strain of being told to sit down with a subject I hated.
Do home educated children get the discipline of having to turn up on time for a lesson they don't want to do, or co-operate with a group on a project , or process thoughts in a (possibly less than deadly quiet) classroom environment? This is all necessary preparation for the world of work, I think, even if no academic achievements result.
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Post by Jade on Feb 5, 2010 10:38:04 GMT
My mum had a go at home education. It was the Catechism.
I loved school.
I loved school dinners.
she was equally devout in her cooking.
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Post by jean on Feb 5, 2010 13:39:25 GMT
My mum had a go at home education. It was the Catechism. Well there you are - she obviously wasn't very successful at it! My parents did not have much education themselves, so how could they have hoped to teach me? The thought never occurred to them.
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