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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 8, 2009 22:41:45 GMT
In the light of the persistent evidence of upward adjustment of the raw data from the surface stations of New Zealand, Australia, Alaska and Scandinavia already demonstrated here, does anyone believe the IPCC statement that the growth of the global temperature is so extreme that only Anthropogenic greenhouse warming can account for it?
I accept that there has been a slight upward trend in temperatures over the last century and a half as the world has emerged from the Little Ice Age, but I am also sure that the raw temperatures are not as high as those presented and that that the trend is not as steep as claimed. The comparisons seen on this board between raw and adjusted data do not permit us to believe that.
The noughties may have been the warmest "since records began" but that is not all that long ago - 160 years. Neither has the decade been unprecedented in recent human history. There are the Roman and Mediaeval Warm periods to reckon with.
I already explained to Aubrey elsewhere that he should be very cautious about statements of this nature, designed to mislead the ill-informed by being economical with the truth.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 8, 2009 23:35:20 GMT
Does anyone remember the analysis by Chiefio that I put up on the old board of the Global Historical Climate Network? He doggedly plotted all the land surface thermometers in time and space and concluded that there had been a reduction in the thermometers located in cold places and at altitude and a general move towards the equator. In Canada there remained only ONE thermometer above 65 degrees North and few above 300m altitude. In Australia the thermometers were moving northwards, equatorwards. New Zealand had its coldest thermometer lopped from the record. California was reduced to four thermometers at the beach or downtown San Francisco with none in the mountains. The Andes were virtually stripped of coverage. In Africa there was a movement from the cooler shores inland to the hotter deserts. In central Africa where there was no beach to move FROM the thermometers moved from higher altitude to lower. All reasons for not trusting the IPCC's statements about temperature trends. All three main world temperature data bases - CRU, Giss and NOAA - are based on the GHCN stations and all fiddle it upwards in precisely the same direction. They call it "Value-Added". Look up Chiefio's journey of exploration here. chiefio.wordpress.com/ |
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 8, 2009 23:41:02 GMT
Also remember that it's the fiddled not the raw data which is fed into the IPCC's computer models so what do you expect with respect to their "predictions"?
Right! Garbage In Garbage Out.
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Post by pippa on Dec 9, 2009 9:51:14 GMT
i heard yesterday that this last summer was one of the warmest on record..... certainly didn't feel like it around here, being so wet most of the time.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 9, 2009 10:55:40 GMT
According to Chiefio, Pippa, the raw figures reveal a slight warming of winter temperatures round the world but little difference in summer temperatures. That is not consistent with CO2 as the cause.
Thank goodness for those conscientious climate auditors and investigators who have taken the trouble to present the basic and contradictory raw data to us. The IPCC et al have relied for too long on the story of the upwardly adjusted raw data not getting out to the public as a whole. There is still a way to go.
But after all, it is such a SIMPLE scam. Some folk think the undermining of the thesis of AGW has to be a more complicated matter than just checking the arithmetic, but IT ISN'T!
NO UNPRECEDENTED RECENT WARMING = NO CATASTROPHIC ANTHROPOGENIC WARMING
Story over.
Now it's just a matter of getting the story out to the masses and of course, refocussing on the mitigation of REAL problems.
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Post by Jade on Dec 9, 2009 12:30:13 GMT
still, it would be nice to be free from the rather dodgy types who control the oil, no? And if the only way to do that is to create a blizzard (pardon the pun) of "Global Warming" stories, well fair enough
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 9, 2009 12:40:21 GMT
Here's a graphic image of the Global Historical Climate Network. It's a plot of the actual number of thermometers selected from all the existing ones to create the GHCN database. Looks like someone at GHCN was knobbled a few years back. Thanks again to Chiefio. He calls it The Great Dying of the Thermometers The Day The Thermometer Music Died. Thermometers by Year Crashes |
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Post by Jade on Dec 9, 2009 12:42:35 GMT
I can't see it
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 9, 2009 12:56:20 GMT
Try taking your finger off the mouse, Jade.
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 9, 2009 13:01:32 GMT
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Post by Jade on Dec 9, 2009 13:18:33 GMT
Try taking your finger off the mouse, Jade.  ? As for embracing it - pragmatically if it makes us do some things differently then all well and good. If as a result of the cafuffle we think again about ruining rain forests, polluting willy nilly etc - then that is not a bad thing tho overall I find you convincing - I will readily admit not to liking the people who would applaud you. Not for their climate leanings - more for their right wing everything else. |
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Post by marchesarosa on Dec 9, 2009 13:25:05 GMT
That's Aubrey's point of view, too, jade.
Personally, I'm not influenced by who says something but by whether it's correct. I just have a hankering to understand.
The finger on the mouse. I thought you meant you couldn't see the Great Dying of the Thermometers graph. Sometimes I don't see the images posted until I release the mouse. Thought you had the same problem.
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Post by Jade on Dec 9, 2009 13:29:57 GMT
no - I hit "quote" and could see the image url so I know you have put it there, must be my machine
I find your energy to get to the root of things you want to understand admirable
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Post by arealfarmer on Dec 9, 2009 14:55:36 GMT
still, it would be nice to be free from the rather dodgy types who control the oil, no? And if the only way to do that is to create a blizzard (pardon the pun) of "Global Warming" stories, well fair enough Hhmmnnn. Well Jade , on the same premise , presumably you would feel happy if the police were to doctor evidence to "prove" the guilt of an innocent suspect on the basis that he/she has "got away with " other things ? |
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Post by Jade on Dec 9, 2009 14:57:45 GMT
Intersting point farmer, and of course I do not agree with that. However I did not object to Al Capone getting perhaps a more serious punishment for tax evasion that he possibly should have done as a first offender.
shades of grey, shades of grey
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