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Post by cleefarqhuar on Jun 23, 2014 8:38:18 GMT
The Telegraph yesterday reported on two Cardiff students that are fighting for ISIS in Syria/Iraq It quoted their parents as saying that their sons had been 'brainwashed' by Islamic fundamentalists and they could not understand why their lovely killer sons had taken that path The parents and their remaining son were pictured outside their typical Cardiff semi- back to camera to protect them, presumably from Jihadists in Cardiff
That picture tells a story that at least partially answers the question why their sons were radicalised They were dressed in the peasant costume of the Hindu Kush, a uniform that can be seen in almost any British city today
These parents have lived in Britain for more than 17 years yet still cling to the identity they imported from teh god-awful State of Pakistan. It is a signal that unambiguously shouts ' we reject your Western mores and will stick to our own in our separate and superior culture' It is the uniform of the self-selected ghetto Is there any small wonder that when 'communit9ies' blatantly reject the standards of their host society that their young people look elsewhere to give their loyalty?
But these simple, stupid people that inhabit the ghettoes are not really to blame. (Anyone that contests the label of ‘stupid’ may not have heard young Moslem men being interviewed in Bradford last week. They praised the British Jihadists ‘ cos we is Muslims innit?’ and stated that they would got to Iraq and fight. Why would they go? ‘Because we want to fight for or blood brother Moslems innit'. They seemed bemused that they would be fighting other Moslems}!
The Left/BBC behemoth has for decades lauded the concept of 'multiculturalism' which 'ism' has it that all cultures are equal and that if the host (white British) culture rejects (or even criticises) imported cultures then that is 'racist' Successive governments have even encouraged these great sociological fissures in our society by pumping money into such 'communities' and turning a blind eye to the self-evident corruption that such separation produces. Instances of this turning a blind eye whilst simultaneously pumping in money are rife, from the ‘grooming’ practices (whish the BNP – for God’s sake exposed a decade ago) the activities of Moslem hate preachers, the non-prosecution of Islamic protesters against Salman Rushdie (this was probably the turning point in the Moslem ‘Community identity), the fiddling of postal votes to mention just a few
So who is to blame for the radicalisation of our young Moslems? The British governments of course that have for long totally ignored the wishes of the majority - and time and again the British government have been shown to be wrong and the majority opinion right
So we have the reported recruitment of British Jihadists to Syria and Iraq exceeding the total of recruitment to the British Army Reserve Forces A pretty pickle our Governments and the BBC have got us into!
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Post by Sunny on Jun 23, 2014 12:27:25 GMT
The Telegraph yesterday reported on two Cardiff students that are fighting for ISIS in Syria/Iraq It quoted their parents as saying that their sons had been 'brainwashed' by Islamic fundamentalists and they could not understand why their lovely killer sons had taken that path The parents and their remaining son were pictured outside their typical Cardiff semi- back to camera to protect them, presumably from Jihadists in Cardiff That picture tells a story that at least partially answers the question why their sons were radicalised They were dressed in the peasant costume of the Hindu Kush, a uniform that can be seen in almost any British city today These parents have lived in Britain for more than 17 years yet still cling to the identity they imported from teh god-awful State of Pakistan. It is a signal that unambiguously shouts ' we reject your Western mores and will stick to our own in our separate and superior culture' It is the uniform of the self-selected ghetto Is there any small wonder that when 'communit9ies' blatantly reject the standards of their host society that their young people look elsewhere to give their loyalty? But these simple, stupid people that inhabit the ghettoes are not really to blame. (Anyone that contests the label of ‘stupid’ may not have heard young Moslem men being interviewed in Bradford last week. They praised the British Jihadists ‘ cos we is Muslims innit?’ and stated that they would got to Iraq and fight. Why would they go? ‘Because we want to fight for or blood brother Moslems innit'. They seemed bemused that they would be fighting other Moslems}! The Left/BBC behemoth has for decades lauded the concept of 'multiculturalism' which 'ism' has it that all cultures are equal and that if the host (white British) culture rejects (or even criticises) imported cultures then that is 'racist' Successive governments have even encouraged these great sociological fissures in our society by pumping money into such 'communities' and turning a blind eye to the self-evident corruption that such separation produces. Instances of this turning a blind eye whilst simultaneously pumping in money are rife, from the ‘grooming’ practices (whish the BNP – for God’s sake exposed a decade ago) the activities of Moslem hate preachers, the non-prosecution of Islamic protesters against Salman Rushdie (this was probably the turning point in the Moslem ‘Community identity), the fiddling of postal votes to mention just a few So who is to blame for the radicalisation of our young Moslems? The British governments of course that have for long totally ignored the wishes of the majority - and time and again the British government have been shown to be wrong and the majority opinion right So we have the reported recruitment of British Jihadists to Syria and Iraq exceeding the total of recruitment to the British Army Reserve Forces A pretty pickle our Governments and the BBC have got us into! You do not say exactly how our government has radicalised our young moslems. Would you be kind enough to expand on that?
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 23, 2014 14:24:58 GMT
Perhaps you could be so kind as to provide your take on the matter of the op, sunny? If you have one to offer, that is. As it is, you put far more energy into your name-changing than into discussion.
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Post by Cher on Jun 23, 2014 20:16:12 GMT
Perhaps you could be so kind as to provide your take on the matter of the op, sunny? If you have one to offer, that is. As it is, you put far more energy into your name-changing than into discussion. Ah! But that's just it! I don't have a "take" on this "op". I have heard the idea that our government has radicalised British moslems and am curious about that. I willingly admit that that idea has never occurred to me before and am simply asking cleefaquar (sp?) to elaborate. It's an interesting idea don't you think?
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Post by Jonjel on Jun 24, 2014 8:47:27 GMT
Who has ever said that the Government has radicalised Muslims? They might have allowed certain radical clerics free rein in the past, but I don't recall any minister calling on Muslims to go and fight in another country, or for that matter to commit terrorist acts in this one.
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Post by Cardiff Student on Jun 24, 2014 9:48:49 GMT
Who has ever said that the Government has radicalised Muslims? Cleefarqhuar. But I don't think he expects anyone to ever read his posts.
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Post by Cookie Cutter on Jun 24, 2014 9:52:20 GMT
It is not just the government either.If you check the last para you'll see that the BBC is also to blame.Somehow.
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Post by Jonjel on Jun 24, 2014 11:04:31 GMT
Well, I suppose you could interpret the post in that way. It depends on how vivid an imagination you have.
Why the absolute stupidity of using strange names as a guest?
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Post by Jeremy Paxman on Jun 24, 2014 11:06:13 GMT
Well, I suppose you could interpret the post in that way. It depends on how vivid an imagination you have. Why the absolute stupidity of using strange names as a guest? agree with you
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 24, 2014 11:41:23 GMT
Not, "somehow", dearie. Don't you remember a few short years ago when "multiculturalism" held sway on the BBC message boards and anyone who demurred was branded a racist?
Poor little aqua actually called me racist for calling Americans "Yanks" and for quoting Gone With Wind's use of the word "darkies" for the negro slaves. Later when I told how my parents used the then (1950s) respectful term "coloured people" I was again branded racist and banned from the BBC boards. Oh, yes, dearie, you and your little clique of pals policed the boards and persecuted anyone staying from strict political correctness (or rather, the VERSION of political correctness then in vogue). So, yes, YOU have played your part in making fundamentalist Islamic nutters think the UK was a safe place for them to spout their multiculturally sanctioned hatefulness. Oh, yes, YOU and your type helped stoke their ghastly religiosity, all right!
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Post by The Yorkshire on Jun 24, 2014 13:50:07 GMT
Not, "somehow", dearie. Don't you remember a few short years ago when "multiculturalism" held sway on the BBC message boards and anyone who demurred was branded a racist? Poor little aqua actually called me racist for calling Americans "Yanks" and for quoting Gone With Wind's use of the word "darkies" for the negro slaves. Later when I told how my parents used the then (1950s) respectful term "coloured people" I was again branded racist and banned from the BBC boards. Oh, yes, dearie, you and your little clique of pals policed the boards and persecuted anyone staying from strict political correctness (or rather, the VERSION of political correctness then in vogue). So, yes, YOU have played your part in making fundamentalist Islamic nutters think the UK was a safe place for them to spout their multiculturally sanctioned hatefulness. Oh, yes, YOU and your type helped stoke their ghastly religiosity, all right! You need to count to ten...and then perhaps a sit down with some camomile tea.
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Post by The Yorkshire on Jun 24, 2014 13:56:18 GMT
Well, I suppose you could interpret the post in that way. It depends on how vivid an imagination you have. Why the absolute stupidity of using strange names as a guest? agree with you Count me in on that...And I will ONLY Ever use the name above...promise.
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Post by The Yorkshire on Jun 24, 2014 13:58:56 GMT
The Telegraph yesterday reported on two Cardiff students that are fighting for ISIS in Syria/Iraq It quoted their parents as saying that their sons had been 'brainwashed' by Islamic fundamentalists and they could not understand why their lovely killer sons had taken that path The parents and their remaining son were pictured outside their typical Cardiff semi- back to camera to protect them, presumably from Jihadists in Cardiff That picture tells a story that at least partially answers the question why their sons were radicalised They were dressed in the peasant costume of the Hindu Kush, a uniform that can be seen in almost any British city today These parents have lived in Britain for more than 17 years yet still cling to the identity they imported from teh god-awful State of Pakistan. It is a signal that unambiguously shouts ' we reject your Western mores and will stick to our own in our separate and superior culture' It is the uniform of the self-selected ghetto Is there any small wonder that when 'communit9ies' blatantly reject the standards of their host society that their young people look elsewhere to give their loyalty? But these simple, stupid people that inhabit the ghettoes are not really to blame. (Anyone that contests the label of ‘stupid’ may not have heard young Moslem men being interviewed in Bradford last week. They praised the British Jihadists ‘ cos we is Muslims innit?’ and stated that they would got to Iraq and fight. Why would they go? ‘Because we want to fight for or blood brother Moslems innit'. They seemed bemused that they would be fighting other Moslems}! The Left/BBC behemoth has for decades lauded the concept of 'multiculturalism' which 'ism' has it that all cultures are equal and that if the host (white British) culture rejects (or even criticises) imported cultures then that is 'racist' Successive governments have even encouraged these great sociological fissures in our society by pumping money into such 'communities' and turning a blind eye to the self-evident corruption that such separation produces. Instances of this turning a blind eye whilst simultaneously pumping in money are rife, from the ‘grooming’ practices (whish the BNP – for God’s sake exposed a decade ago) the activities of Moslem hate preachers, the non-prosecution of Islamic protesters against Salman Rushdie (this was probably the turning point in the Moslem ‘Community identity), the fiddling of postal votes to mention just a few So who is to blame for the radicalisation of our young Moslems? The British governments of course that have for long totally ignored the wishes of the majority - and time and again the British government have been shown to be wrong and the majority opinion right So we have the reported recruitment of British Jihadists to Syria and Iraq exceeding the total of recruitment to the British Army Reserve Forces A pretty pickle our Governments and the BBC have got us into! Why can't our politicians be more like you?
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Post by The Yorkshire on Jun 24, 2014 15:05:53 GMT
Well, I suppose you could interpret the post in that way. It depends on how vivid an imagination you have. "So who is to blame for the radicalisation of our young Moslems? The British governments of course that have for long totally ignored the wishes of the majority - and time and again the British government have been shown to be wrong and the majority opinion right. Perhaps you could tell us then how a person who doesn't have a very vivid imagination would interpret the words quoted.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 24, 2014 15:32:01 GMT
Why don't you have a stab at identifying the cause? C'mon give us a laugh.
My own answer, in case you forgot is The Qur'an. Plant the seed of jihad in their minds when they are kids and then wait for it germinate given the correct environment
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