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Post by jean on Nov 3, 2014 15:37:49 GMT
Two different points are being confused - one is the lack of sufficient places in schools, whether primary or secondary.
The other is the presumed effect of pupils whose first language is not English.
It suits some people (and the Daily Mail) to confuse them.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 3, 2014 16:47:35 GMT
The other is the presumed effect of pupils whose first language is not English. It suits some people (and the Daily Mail) to confuse them. Presumably one of those 'some people' is HM Chief Inspector of Schools Sir Richard Wilshaw Prat!
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Post by jean on Nov 3, 2014 17:06:35 GMT
I know nothing about the thoughts of Sir Richard Wilshaw, but Sir Michael Wilshaw does not confuse these two quite separate issues, and you will not find any example of him doing so..
The Daily Mail does it for him, of course, because it knows what'll go down well with readers like you.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 3, 2014 17:49:21 GMT
I know nothing about the thoughts of Sir Richard Wilshaw, but Sir Michael Wilshaw does not confuse these two quite separate issues, and you will not find any example of him doing so.. The Daily Mail does it for him, of course, because it knows what'll go down well with readers like you. And where have I confused these two issues. And when did I last read the DM? Indeed can you quote any DM article that confuses these two issues? I think not as it is simply a prejudicially spurious invention on your part
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 5, 2014 7:38:31 GMT
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Post by angelasBottom on Nov 5, 2014 10:15:11 GMT
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Post by StrangeAnge on Nov 5, 2014 10:31:04 GMT
Those migration watch people are really shit at sums.
Or the English language.
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Post by pippop on Nov 5, 2014 15:38:11 GMT
I thought the sums added up myself but then maths not my thing so...
Some facts I'd like to know:
If the UK Independence Party prevail and we leave Europe does that mean that all the people living and working here from the EU would have to leave?
and similarly
Would the Brits who live in Europe similarly have to sell up and move back?
Next question then is what are the numbers (would we be 'up' or 'down'?)
Finally. Would we be swapping fitter healthier younger people for well,you know, retired Brits who live in Spain and that? So it's maybe not like-for-like? Older people more of a drain on NHS etc? That wouldn't be such a smart political move would it?
Sorry, it's quite a lot of questions, it's just that there hasn't been much talk about what would happen if... has there? I've missed it if there has. And it's next May! So does anybody have any of these facts please? Or could even guess what would happen?
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Post by pippoponholiday on Nov 6, 2014 9:17:45 GMT
I thought the sums added up myself but then maths not my thing so... Some facts I'd like to know: If the UK Independence Party prevail and we leave Europe does that mean that all the people living and working here from the EU would have to leave? and similarly Would the Brits who live in Europe similarly have to sell up and move back? Next question then is what are the numbers (would we be 'up' or 'down'?) Finally. Would we be swapping fitter healthier younger people for well,you know, retired Brits who live in Spain and that? So it's maybe not like-for-like? Older people more of a drain on NHS etc? That wouldn't be such a smart political move would it? Sorry, it's quite a lot of questions, it's just that there hasn't been much talk about what would happen if... has there? I've missed it if there has. And it's next May! So does anybody have any of these facts please? Or could even guess what would happen? So nobody knows. Typical of the Brits, eh? Let's all vote for something without thinking it through...
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Post by marchesarosa on Nov 8, 2014 17:12:43 GMT
Whatever the pros and cons of immigration the important question is how should it be managed. How should the government control the flow of immigrants to protect the interests of its existing citizens because, sure as eggs is eggs, there are more out who want to get here by crook or by crook than most people here would be happy to accept.
What is wrong with a points system such as the USA, Canada and Australia already practise?
Is it morally wrong to limit immigration?
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Post by Paulie "walnuts" Nuttall on Nov 9, 2014 0:55:58 GMT
there are more out who want to get here by crook or by crook than most people here would be happy to accept. Makes perfect sense to me.Anybody who thinks that isn't the way a right minded common sense way of thinking it through and then some.I know I would.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 9, 2014 9:07:21 GMT
Whatever the pros and cons of immigration the important question is how should it be managed. Disagree. This assumes that mass immigration is somehow beneficial. Although it may have its beneficial aspects its overall efect is overwhelmingly negative How should the government control the flow of immigrants to protect the interests of its existing citizens A consideration that has never entered successive governments head because, sure as eggs is eggs, there are more out who want to get here by crook or by crook than most people here would be happy to accept. I would go further and suggest that there are more who are already here than most people here are happy to accept. However , we must now live with that unhappy fact What is wrong with a points system such as the USA, Canada and Australia already practise? That is what UKIP proposes Is it morally wrong to limit immigration? Is democracy morally wrong? For if we were a truly democratic nation, then it seems that mass immigration would never have taken place
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Post by sweetjessicajane on Nov 10, 2014 16:51:17 GMT
I'd be interested in knowing how they reached they conclusions. Though not an economist, I was quite good at maths, and having trained as an engineer I can be quite logical. I can see this it would be quite simple to see how much someone pays in tax & NI if you had their NI number, and also see how much they claim in benefits. If you also had their NHS number you could also workout how much treatment they had received and therefor the cost. I assume they didn't check everybody, the number of people is just too large, so they probably used a random group - but was this random group truly representative of the whole? What about other impacts? Locally there are a number of foreign cars without tax disc - if they aren't paying road tax how are they contributing to the cost of the road infrastructure? What is the cost of crime by foreign nationals to the UK? There are other things I can think of, so I'm interested in how they reached their numbers.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 11, 2014 13:56:40 GMT
I'd be interested in knowing how they reached they conclusions. Though not an economist, I was quite good at maths, and having trained as an engineer I can be quite logical. I can see this it would be quite simple to see how much someone pays in tax & NI if you had their NI number, and also see how much they claim in benefits. If you also had their NHS number you could also workout how much treatment they had received and therefor the cost. I assume they didn't check everybody, the number of people is just too large, so they probably used a random group - but was this random group truly representative of the whole? What about other impacts? Locally there are a number of foreign cars without tax disc - if they aren't paying road tax how are they contributing to the cost of the road infrastructure? What is the cost of crime by foreign nationals to the UK? There are other things I can think of, so I'm interested in how they reached their numbers. I do not know how they reached their conclusions SJJ You might find some clues in this paper by Dustmann and Frattani: www.cream-migration.org/publ_uploads/CDP_22_13.pdf
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