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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 10, 2014 13:24:20 GMT
I can't believe you are serious. The only thing in this world that has killed more people than religion is influenza, and we are looking for a cure for that. I am very serious And you are quite wrong 'Secularism' in the form of atheist Communism killed more people in the 20C than had been killed during all of previous history |
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 10, 2014 13:27:39 GMT
But the education of children within the narrow confines of their parents' religious beliefs is not something the state should encourage. And just who on earth are YOU to judge the 'narrowness' of Christianity? Such arrogance bordering on idiocy |
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Post by Jonjel on Nov 10, 2014 14:27:55 GMT
I can't believe you are serious. The only thing in this world that has killed more people than religion is influenza, and we are looking for a cure for that. I am very serious And you are quite wrong 'Secularism' in the form of atheist Communism killed more people in the 20C than had been killed during all of previous history Statistics. Make of them what you will. Sadly quite a few zealots seem to have skipped the stone throwing, the bow and arrow and graduated straight to the AK47 |
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Post by thelittlemanonthecross on Nov 10, 2014 14:33:01 GMT
I can't believe you are serious. The only thing in this world that has killed more people than religion is influenza, and we are looking for a cure for that. I am very serious And you are quite wrong 'Secularism' in the form of atheist Communism killed more people in the 20C than had been killed during all of previous history The millions of "religious" killings are different you see, Jonjel, because those killings were done by "good" people who believed in a god. It hasn't crossed his mind that religions shouldn't have a part in ANY killing. |
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Post by Jonjel on Nov 10, 2014 15:09:42 GMT
What could have been an interesting debate has, as with so many before, degenerated into 'guests' sounding off. I do wish some people would, if they are adults, act like adults.
I have removed the post. I too want interesting debate.
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Post by jean on Nov 10, 2014 15:42:37 GMT
Do you not think the guest's point is at least as pertinent as cleefy's, jonjel?
And the guest does not accuse me (as I am sure you wouldn't, either) of arrogance bordering on idiocy.
Give me a polite guest in preference to a rude board member any day.
[Not quite sure which guest post admin has removed]
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Post by Jonjel on Nov 10, 2014 15:52:31 GMT
Jean, since 'guests' (which could well be singular) pop up in various strange disguises one can never get a clear picture of the point they are making, if any.
This started as whether we should tolerate separate burial grounds. I don't think we should, any more than separate shops or separate anything else. It just makes for divisiveness, and of course I have to add I think!
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Post by jean on Nov 10, 2014 16:14:26 GMT
The guest's point is clear to me; is it really so difficult to grasp because it's made by a guest?
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 10, 2014 17:03:59 GMT
Statistics. Make of them what you will. Indeed However I bid 140 million killed by 'secularists' in the 20C What is your bid for 'religious' killings? However we humans will always find an excuse for killing each other, be it religion or secularism |
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 10, 2014 17:12:25 GMT
And the guest does not accuse me (as I am sure you wouldn't, either) of arrogance bordering on idiocy.I stand by my implication of arrogance bordering on idiocy For how can anyone but an idiot accuse Christianity of 'narrowness' Freedom of man and democracy , the enlightenment, the evolution of scientific thought, the laws of our land, the most beautiful art, literature and architecture, the most sublime music - all these have been fostered and built upon Christianity The 'narrowness of Christianity' indeed! That is why I find your petty arrogant insularity so idiotic You so often write without applying any thought that all your mores are it seems founded upon idealoguery |
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 10, 2014 17:18:28 GMT
I am very serious And you are quite wrong 'Secularism' in the form of atheist Communism killed more people in the 20C than had been killed during all of previous history The millions of "religious" killings are different you see, Jonjel, because those killings were done by "good" people who believed in a god. More idiocy. You are imputing remarks and opinions to me that I have never countenanced nor expressed It hasn't crossed his mind that religions shouldn't have a part in ANY killing. Hasn't it indeed? And how can a person of such self-evidently limited intelligence possibly know what I think? |
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Post by jean on Nov 10, 2014 18:44:54 GMT
I stand by my implication of arrogance bordering on idiocy For how can anyone but an idiot accuse Christianity of 'narrowness' What I actually wrote was this: But the education of children within the narrow confines of their parents' religious beliefs is not something the state should encourage. Not quite the same, you see. |
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Nov 10, 2014 19:35:19 GMT
I stand by my implication of arrogance bordering on idiocy For how can anyone but an idiot accuse Christianity of 'narrowness' What I actually wrote was this: But the education of children within the narrow confines of their parents' religious beliefs is not something the state should encourage. Not quite the same, you see. Do not presume play with words with me my Dear It is quite clear from this sentence 'education of children within the narrow confines of their parents' religious beliefs' includes Christianity If it does not, then you either lack the capability of expressing what you mean in the English language, or alternatively you write without thinking about what you write If the latter is your problem then you evidence arrogance combined with stupidity |
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Post by aqua on Nov 11, 2014 0:48:28 GMT
What I actually wrote was this: Not quite the same, you see. It is quite clear from this sentence 'education of children within the narrow confines of their parents' religious beliefs' includes Christianity Hot-foot (well, a couple of hours ago) from an overlong macho pistols-at-dawn Council meeting, which I hated being at, I’m disposed to be mediatory and even-handed. You jib at ‘narrow’ - but couldn’t possibly at ‘confines’. Perhaps jean might consider withdrawing the former - but don’t forget she said “parents’ religious beliefs” (the deciding factor, with or without the child’s agreement), not religions as such. I know in England most state-funded Christian schools are CofE or RC. One of these is very dogmatic, as you know, but there are other sects represented too and some are very very narrow. (I could’ve said ‘barmy’, if I weren’t so mellow.) Are they part of your... Freedom of man and democracy , the enlightenment, the evolution of scientific thought, the laws of our land, the most beautiful art, literature and architecture, the most sublime music - all these have been fostered and built upon Christianity ?Actually, this doesn’t ring true (ie, as a particularly Christian thing) at all, and should be the subject of a separate thread, which I’m too mellow to start. Take it up with Melvyn. |
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Post by jean on Nov 11, 2014 8:56:03 GMT
When I used the word narrow, a sensitive reader with some knowledge of the world might have reflected that education in Northern Ireland has mostly been delivered within the confines of two rather narrowly defined versions of Christianity, which outside the schools were for years viciously at each others' throats.
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