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Post by aquatic on Dec 31, 2010 1:58:57 GMT
For instance, for a few decades, as white middle-class. I've fought against racism (amongst other things) from an abstract viewpoint. I still tend to do so - until something jolts me into remembering my middle son married a black African Muslim and converted to Islam himself! And they bluddy had the cheek to come for Christmas too! I hated this bit. Before my family went all Global, we always tended to rely on bacon rashers round t'turkey, gammon, chestnuts and lardons, sausagemeat, a massive homemade pork pie, chipolatas, black pudding and more rashers for breakfast, etc, etc. Well, we did all that, but, when we knew the Muslims were coming, we cooked other, non-pork, things too, so they'd have a reasonable amount of choice. Then they go and eat a load of the pork stuff - and drink my booze as well! And a non-Muslim offspring of mine complains we provided too much choice! |
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Post by Joe K on Dec 31, 2010 2:35:20 GMT
it's a shame you cant recognise a troll for what it is, aqua. but i dare say others who are not biased, will. A troll is generally someone who posts on a message board with the intention of disrupting it. The question is, has Ben Zene disrupted this thread about the Proboard replacement for the BBC science board? or was it disrupted long before he/she arrived? Which is something I covered in my previous post. Where are the affable discussions being had presently that you want to preserve, Pippa? Where, in fact, are the victims on this board? If you can't point to any, then there doesn't seem to be grounds for complaint. |
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Post by jean on Dec 31, 2010 9:11:21 GMT
A troll is generally someone who posts on a message board with the intention of disrupting it. I think it would be very difficult to label anyone posting on this board a troll, since for so long - despite Jade's best efforts - its function has been only to examine the behaviour of posters (from here and from elsewhere) on other boards. I have rarely identified a real troll. For a short time there was one on WoM called JayKay who used to bait other posters - but even he sometimes made a serious point. I always find that long(ish) posts by aqua are a great bonus anywhere. That he posts less on WoM than he used to because of JM's misanthropic rants is a fact that does not endear JM to me in any degree. I'll examine the racism question he raises later. |
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Post by Ben Zene on Dec 31, 2010 9:47:37 GMT
bearing in mind the poster ben zene only registered on this board last night, these are the sole contributions made made to date. all this morning. it certainly seems to me our esteemed moderator, jean, has endorsed what is clearly a troll. no surprises there then. Hello again. For the sake of everyone's sanity I won't be quoting Pippa's posts in full. In fact I'm not entirely sure what is the point of listing all those posts, it certainly isn't to foster a meaningful discussion. Still, it no doubt passes the time. I do hope she desists by the time I reach two hundred posts! I'm sure that on Planet Pippa I do qualify as a troll, as does anyone with a different point of view. What I find fascinating is the way Pippa can latch on to anything, quantity of posts or time of posting, and use it as evidence. |
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Post by Ben Zene on Dec 31, 2010 10:02:22 GMT
A troll is generally someone who posts on a message board with the intention of disrupting it. The question is, has Ben Zene disrupted this thread about the Proboard replacement for the BBC science board? or was it disrupted long before he/she arrived? Which is something I covered in my previous post. Where are the affable discussions being had presently that you want to preserve, Pippa? Where, in fact, are the victims on this board? If you can't point to any, then there doesn't seem to be grounds for complaint. Hi Joe K. How right you are in regards to disrupting things here. How can one? Jade did indeed make heroic efforts to get things moving. But, rather like the farcical science board, differing views are not encouraged. As to victims There is one The board itself. |
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Post by jean on Dec 31, 2010 10:02:23 GMT
... it certainly seems to me our esteemed moderator, jean, has endorsed what is clearly a troll. no surprises there then. I missed this bit, which needs a reply. This is not a closed board, pippa, so nobody has to obtain any kind of moderator endorsement before they are allowed to join. It does seem that Ben Zene has some understanding of your MO, to adopt a term which you like to use when identifying patterns in other people's postings. But since, as I've said, this board has become a de facto metaboard for the examimation of posting behaviour anywhere and everywhere, I don't see that as a reason for banning them. I've said it before, pippa - why not start your own board, populated by your own preferred posters, and show us how it should be done? |
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Post by Ben Zene on Dec 31, 2010 10:13:57 GMT
" since when was i answerable to you?
you'd be wise to remember that i am not beholden to anyone[/size][/color][/b]."[/quote] (not surprisingly a misquote: it would seem a curtesy at least that if a middle chunk of words is left out of a quote then at least a series of full stops, thus..... indicate that it is not complete and therefore does not read how it was originally intended. this is my original quote: " since when was i answerable to you? your schoolmarmish nature is very off putting. you'd be wise to remember that i am not beholden to anyone least of all you, or any of your flunky's jeanhartrick." [/quote] A misquote? I thought that was de rigueur here. You constantly misquote, hack about and generally mangle other posters efforts to get a meaning that suits you. Courtesy is a two-way street. |
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Post by Ben Zene on Dec 31, 2010 10:26:16 GMT
I've said it before, pippa - why not start your own board, populated by your own preferred posters, and show us how it should be done? Jean, that is a very good suggestion, though it does beg a question. Pippa is constantly exposing all our message board shortcomings. The bullying, the piling in, the witch hunts and the gang mentality. But no one ever comes to thank her. The poor victims of our skullduggery don't flock to her side. They don't sing her praises on other boards. I wonder why that is? Ideas anyone? |
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Post by jean on Dec 31, 2010 10:37:45 GMT
The poor victims of our skullduggery don't flock to her side. They don't sing her praises on other boards. That is not entirely true, Ben. When pippa first leapt to JM's side on WoM to tell him that the conspiracies he was imagining against him were all true, and all hatched via PMs on various Proboards, she invited him (oh the irony!) to come to this board where she would elaborate, via PMs, on what she had already said. I believe he declined the invitation to come here, though he did express his thanks for her intervention on WoM. |
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Post by Ben Zene on Dec 31, 2010 10:52:15 GMT
I see.
A case of thanks but no thanks.
I stand corrected.
Thanks Jean.
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Post by jean on Dec 31, 2010 17:35:42 GMT
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Post by visitor on Jan 1, 2011 10:50:20 GMT
A troll is generally someone who posts on a message board with the intention of disrupting it. It is quite clear that Pippa is the resident troll on this board. clipclopclipclop |
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Post by jean on Jan 1, 2011 12:15:22 GMT
I don't really think that anyone posting on this board can be called a troll.
Pippa could very well argue that in opening a thread whose purpose was to challenge her informing people on a BBC messageboard of some 'infamous behaviour'of mine she thought she'd uncovered as a result of something I'd said on another Proboard, I was inviting any response she cared to make.
And I think she would be right.
Judge her responses by all means, but she is not a troll simply for having made them.
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Post by visitor on Jan 1, 2011 13:22:06 GMT
If a troll can be defined as somebody who posts with the direct intention of causing disruption, Pippa has demonstrated that she is indeed a troll on this board and others.
She is also a bully who appears to hound other posters from board to board, habitually trawling through years worth of past postings on other boards with the aim of 'demonstrating' flaws in other posters' behaviour.
That is the act of an intentionally disruptive, bullying, troll.
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Post by jean on Jan 1, 2011 13:45:41 GMT
Pippa...appears to hound other posters from board to board, habitually trawling through years worth of past postings on other boards with the aim of 'demonstrating' flaws in other posters' behaviour. That much cannot be denied. She probably justifies this by an unshakable belief that the flaws she believes she finds in other posters' behaviour are so great that any evidence she can bring to bear (even if she has to embellish it quite a bit) is amply justified. The question then is why, if these flaws are so great, nobody else (Except JM, whose theories fit remarkably neatly with her own, and the marchesa, when it suits her) has ever noticed them. The only answer seems to be that all the other posters, despite their disclaimers, are part of the conspiracy, too. |
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