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Post by millimetre on Jun 20, 2014 10:28:17 GMT
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Jun 20, 2014 12:25:06 GMT
I do not find myself often in agreement with the bewigged MP, but this time is an exception
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Post by Jonjel on Jun 20, 2014 13:03:41 GMT
Nevermind all that. What this board needs is some men to tell us what needs "bombing the hell out of" to solve our problems. Well, as a man I would like to help out out, but I am a pacifist so really can't suggest anywhere.
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Post by Lord Snowed In on Jun 20, 2014 13:28:40 GMT
I do not find myself often in agreement with the bewigged MP, but this time is an exception Yes, Duckie, you go and hit the lady. And if that doesn't work try seeing if kicking some puppies helps you work things out.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 20, 2014 17:53:19 GMT
I don't think "drop in the ocean" is an internationally recognised unit of measurement, UNA. Better "check" again, dearie, perhaps?
The point being made is about an immigration scam via the arranged marriage, not normal random international marriages which have always occurred and which probably cancel each other out in terms of in and out migration. I am talking about an INCREASING proportion of muslims (more than 60%) who import their spouses from Pakistan, a grossly under-developed nation, in fact a "failed state" which people are desperate to get out of - who can blame them? This is resulting in a big boost to every UK muslim (read Pakistani) marriage cohort and a birth rate which some have estimated is TEN TIMES that of the host nation.
I don't like scams, myself, of any description. I don't like Pakistanis getting British citizenship via the scam of the arranged marriage (usually between cousins) to which they would not otherwise be entitled. If these cousins want so desperately to marry each other let them marry in Pakistan and live there. But, of course that would not do! Obtaining citizenship of a wealthy nation is the REAL objective NOT marrying your fucking cousin - you've got umpteen of them in Pakistan to choose from! But they can't offer you UK citizenship, unfortunately.
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Post by sweetjeesicajane on Jun 20, 2014 18:26:15 GMT
This is gossip - I have no proof.
I understand that once a spouse has arrived in the UK (male or female), they can then argue to bring in their own extended family, parents/siblings etc.
And again gossip/rumour, but some bring elderly relatives who then receive state pensions and places in state funded care homes.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 20, 2014 22:38:34 GMT
"Family re-unification", it's called SJJ.
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Post by sweetjeesicajane on Jun 21, 2014 8:41:40 GMT
There was a piece on radio 4 several months ago about arranged marriages - there was concern expressed that some take place where one of the couple may not be able to give "informed consent" (is that the right phrase?).
And I believe that there was a case in the news not long ago of a young woman who had had a number of arranged marriages, and her parents had received a "dowry" each time. In a rush now but will try and find a link to the story.
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 21, 2014 10:21:11 GMT
Yes, SJJ, the "cash nexus" is another element in the corruption of our immigration system via the arranged marriage.
In traditional societies it is normally the bride's family who pay the dowry to the groom's family. This is the social "penalty" which makes daughters so unpopular in traditional societies. However, when UK citizenship is on offer to the groom as part of the deal the dowry goes the other way and into the pocket of the bride's family. Neat!
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Post by Copsd on Jun 21, 2014 16:31:21 GMT
Yes, SJJ, the "cash nexus" is another element in the corruption of our immigration system via the arranged marriage. In traditional societies it is normally the bride's family who pay the dowry to the groom's family. This is the social "penalty" which makes daughters so unpopular in traditional societies. However, when UK citizenship is on offer to the groom as part of the deal the dowry goes the other way and into the pocket of the bride's family. Neat! Traditional societies are the best.No doubt about it.
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Post by BEN on Jun 21, 2014 16:39:00 GMT
There was a piece on radio 4 several months ago about arranged marriages - there was concern expressed that some take place where one of the couple may not be able to give "informed consent" (is that the right phrase?). And I believe that there was a case in the news not long ago of a young woman who had had a number of arranged marriages, and her parents had received a "dowry" each time. In a rush now but will try and find a link to the story. Thank rational thought that I am not religious or even use words like "dowry" and "marriage".I pity anyone who is not able to use the brains they were born with to remove themselves from this superstitious nonsense.
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Post by sweetjessicajane on Jun 22, 2014 8:57:30 GMT
Yes, SJJ, the "cash nexus" is another element in the corruption of our immigration system via the arranged marriage. In traditional societies it is normally the bride's family who pay the dowry to the groom's family. This is the social "penalty" which makes daughters so unpopular in traditional societies. However, when UK citizenship is on offer to the groom as part of the deal the dowry goes the other way and into the pocket of the bride's family. Neat! I'm still trying to find the particular news story, but during my search I came across the following:- www.anncrafttrust.org/Forced_Marriage.phpQuote -- Marriage can be seen as a means of improving the chances of getting a visa to the UK . A person with learning disabilities may be seen as easier to deceive or coerce into such a marriage and into then acting as a visa sponsor. -- Unquote
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Post by FF on Jun 22, 2014 11:32:47 GMT
Isn't "forced" marriage illegal?
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Post by sweetjessicajane on Jun 23, 2014 3:53:02 GMT
Isn't "forced" marriage illegal? Forced marriage is illegal - but the article raises concerns about arranged marriages where one of the participants is deemed to have "diminished capacity", in such cases can a person give "informed consent"? Are they being taken advantage of?
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Post by marchesarosa on Jun 23, 2014 11:19:23 GMT
Isn't "forced" marriage illegal? Sure is! But like many other laws impinging on Pakistani and other less than acceptable imported cultural practices they are more honoured in the breach than the observance.
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