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Post by cleefarqhuar on Aug 1, 2014 11:49:42 GMT
No Hamas has the strategy of prolonging the agony of the Palestinian people; it knows precisely what the thuggish reaction of Israel will be from long experience, and Israel, like compliant fools, play into the hands of Hamas and lose world sympathy There is nothing the Israel would like better than a compliant Palestinian people in peace and quiet(as they have in the WB) so that they can go ahead and annexe their lands without any bother
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Post by ncsonde on Aug 1, 2014 23:35:09 GMT
Dear oh dear. According to the UN and Amnesty, we killed more civilians than that in Baghdad within an hour. No phone calls and text messages either. It is claimed that 300 Iraqi civilians were killed by the British during theIraq invasion Is it? Like Hamas claim 1500 civilians have been killed?
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Post by ncsonde on Aug 1, 2014 23:45:07 GMT
{Israel is} certainly a proxy for the USA What the hell does that mean?! It's certainly what we do, agreed. Ditto. They're not kept in subjugation. The small flaw in your analysis. No, she's right. There's something much more. It's not so much the "interest", though that's a valid point. I watched HardTalk's report from Moldova the other night - more victims than Gaza in Trans-whateverit'scalled, but not a whisper of it. It's more - I'm totally intrigued by the news coverage of this, I must say. It's jawdropping - the open and unashamed bias. Especially Channel4 - the BBC haven't been nearly so blatant. It's hard to see what else it can be, frankly. Really.
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Post by ncsonde on Aug 1, 2014 23:48:31 GMT
Yes. lets In NI in 45 years, 1879 civilians were killed (many by the IRA or its offshoots) In Israel /Palestine during the 1st intifada LASTING 4 YEARS, 1200 Palestinians were killed by Isreali forces During the 2ND Intifada OF 5 YEARS DURATION 3135 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces During the LAST 2 WEEKS an estimated 800 civilians have been killed by Israeli forces These figures illustrate bleakly the thuggery of the Isreali use of force and he contempt that they have for the lives of their neighbours Let me provide some perspective to these figures: From UN data, the post-1967 avoidable mortality (excess mortality) in the Occupied Palestinian Territories totals 300,000 and the post-1967 under-5 infant mortality 183,000 (of which 90% has been avoidable) - as compared to 2,178 post-1967 Israeli terrorism deaths (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures). My comment: These deaths since 1967 correspond roughly to the same period as the British NI problems (excess m0rtality is the number of deaths that exceed the norm fr a well regulated, peaceful country So absurd not worthy of comment.
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Post by ncsonde on Aug 1, 2014 23:51:31 GMT
No, but 'Mass Killings is not what is going on. The 'mass killings' is an ongoing process. 300,000 Palestinians killed since 1967 Utter unadulerated bollocks sir.
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Post by ncsonde on Aug 1, 2014 23:56:30 GMT
Are you joking, Nay? About this?
If you seriously believe this - then what are you complaining about? There are no "civilians".
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Post by ncsonde on Aug 2, 2014 0:11:08 GMT
Utter bollocks. You come across as...the most gullible Munich streetcleaner, enraged to join the Nazi Party by one of Goebbels' hate reels. Get a grip, man.
Ffs.
I see now your historical skewedness is something far more malignant. Reluctantly, regrettably, I concur with the Marchesa. It's a Juden!fest going on here. Your perspective on history is so distorted it's malignant.
Nazi talk.
Nay, nay. We've heard it all before. Write it on Metapedia pal.
Like what?
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Post by ncsonde on Aug 2, 2014 0:18:11 GMT
I resile from this conversation. I do so with no guilt because I believe no-one is reading it anyway; if I thought Nay's putrescent anti-semitic views might influence anyone, I'd grit my teeth and continue. As it is, it's too sad.
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Post by jean on Aug 2, 2014 7:27:12 GMT
I resile from this conversation. I do so with no guilt because I believe no-one is reading it anyway; Well I am, of course. I doubt if they will influence anyone, but you can never be sure - what do you suggest I do with them?
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Post by marchesarosa on Aug 2, 2014 11:14:25 GMT
Cos circumstances alter cases, nay. Jews have had the role of the dispossessed thrust upon them over the centuries and they have always acted in the most rational way by MOVING ON and becoming an adornment to the societies where they settled. The last effort to dispossess them permanently in Europe accelerated the demand for a homeland in Palestine and quite right too!
There is no point arguing the toss about who is most deserving as you try to do, nay. It is not a matter of who is most deserving but of knowing when enough is enough. It is time for Palestinians to adopt the role of the wandering Jew for a while. It will do them no end of good for a few generations. Then the world can examine the case again.
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Post by aquatic on Aug 2, 2014 23:06:40 GMT
Now that a few other posters have raised or gone along with raising the issue of ant-semitism, I have had to examine my own reaction to Israel's overkill approach.
My simple answer is that, whatever anti-semitism cleefarquhar may be reflecting, it's the State of Israel, rather than The Jews, who are doing the overkill that I think is being done.
I've heard many Jews, and met a few, who deprecate what is going on in their name.
cleefarquhar has raised some relevant - and irrelevant - stuff, in my view. I don't know whether he is - but I would be disappointed if he is an anti-semite.
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Post by Andre 3000 on Aug 4, 2014 7:53:31 GMT
I would be disappointed if he is an anti-semite. I would be shocked to the very core.
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Post by Judge Judy on Aug 4, 2014 19:08:13 GMT
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Post by fishwife on Aug 4, 2014 19:20:15 GMT
I would be disappointed if he is an anti-semite. I would be shocked to the very core. i'd be gutted.
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Post by aquatic on Aug 4, 2014 23:49:48 GMT
I would be shocked to the very core. i'd be gutted. No need to go that far, unless you're in with a good gutter who knows their trade and can leave you (almost) intact, after a big of jiggling. I do think that it's difficult to defend what the Israelis are doing. In my view, impossible.
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