Post by cleefarqhuar on Aug 11, 2014 19:33:54 GMT
They're not kept in subjugation. The small flaw in your analysis.
Flaw?
When the are not allowed to leave (or if the have previously left not allowed to re-enter), when they can be (and are) arrested and imprisoned without charge. when their lands are confiscated for 'settlements' , when their orchards are uprooted and their water severely rationed whilst the settlements have watered lawns), when their schools and Universities are arbitrarily closed down upon Israeli whim, when their riots on their own land are suppressed by the shooting of stone-throwing youths,when beating up by Israeli soldiers and border Police are commonplace, when they are delayed by hours when they wish to cross the border into Israal?
And here I an talking of the WB which has been peaceful for over a decade
Flaw?
That meets my concept of 'subjugation' if not yours
Perhaps it has nothing whatsoever to do with anti-semitism
It's hard to see what else it can be, frankly. Really.
Hard?
Inconvenient to view it otherwise perhaps
Jul 30, 2014 at 1:35pm cleefarqhuar said:
Yes. lets
In NI in 45 years, 1879 civilians were killed (many by the IRA or its offshoots)
In Israel /Palestine during the 1st intifada LASTING 4 YEARS, 1200 Palestinians were killed by Isreali forces
During the 2ND Intifada OF 5 YEARS DURATION 3135 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces
During the LAST 2 WEEKS an estimated 800 civilians have been killed by Israeli forces
These figures illustrate bleakly the thuggery of the Isreali use of force and he contempt that they have for the lives of their neighbours
Let me provide some perspective to these figures:
From UN data, the post-1967 avoidable mortality (excess mortality) in the Occupied Palestinian Territories totals 300,000 and the post-1967 under-5 infant mortality 183,000 (of which 90% has been avoidable) - as compared to 2,178 post-1967 Israeli terrorism deaths (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures).
My comment:
These deaths since 1967 correspond roughly to the same period as the British NI problems
(excess m0rtality is the number of deaths that exceed the norm fr a well regulated, peaceful country
Yes. lets
In NI in 45 years, 1879 civilians were killed (many by the IRA or its offshoots)
In Israel /Palestine during the 1st intifada LASTING 4 YEARS, 1200 Palestinians were killed by Isreali forces
During the 2ND Intifada OF 5 YEARS DURATION 3135 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces
During the LAST 2 WEEKS an estimated 800 civilians have been killed by Israeli forces
These figures illustrate bleakly the thuggery of the Isreali use of force and he contempt that they have for the lives of their neighbours
Let me provide some perspective to these figures:
From UN data, the post-1967 avoidable mortality (excess mortality) in the Occupied Palestinian Territories totals 300,000 and the post-1967 under-5 infant mortality 183,000 (of which 90% has been avoidable) - as compared to 2,178 post-1967 Israeli terrorism deaths (Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs figures).
My comment:
These deaths since 1967 correspond roughly to the same period as the British NI problems
(excess m0rtality is the number of deaths that exceed the norm fr a well regulated, peaceful country
So absurd not worthy of comment.
I quoted these figures to counter your argument that the British brutality in NI was just as bad as the Isreali brutality toward the Palestinians. It patently was not
The 'mass killings' is an ongoing process. 300,000 Palestinians killed since 1967
Utter unadulerated bollocks sir.
Do you think I invent these figures?
They are sourced from the UN
Those whose homes have been usurped and stolen by waves of arrogant foreigners that kill and steal
Utter bollocks.
You come across as...the most gullible Munich streetcleaner, enraged to join the Nazi Party by one of Goebbels' hate reels. Get a grip, man.
Hmm.... well. Ben Gurion admitted that the Zionists stole Arab land and killed to do it, as did Sharon, as did Morris, as did many other Israelis. You see they have less difficulty with the truth than you do and are quite prepared to live with the uncomfortable facts
Or perhaps they too are 'the most gullible Munich streetcleaner, enraged to join the Nazi Party by one of Goebbels' hate reels.'
I see now your historical skewedness is something far more malignant. Reluctantly, regrettably, I concur with the Marchesa. It's a Juden!fest going on here. Your perspective on history is so distorted it's malignant.
Well, well, you are now becoming somewhat incoherently abusive
Those that have a sense of history of their Motherland and weep for the plight of their children
Nazi talk.
Really?
What did the diaspora Jews do in Germany,Poland, Russia? Were they too Nazis?
I resile from this conversation.
Wise
You are becoming very emotional
if I thought Nay's putrescent anti-semitic views might influence anyone, I'd grit my teeth and continue. As it is, it's too sad
Yes, far too emotional
Posted by jean
Aug 2, 2014 at 8:27am
I doubt if they will influence anyone, but you can never be sure - what do you suggest I do with them?
Aug 2, 2014 at 8:27am
I doubt if they will influence anyone, but you can never be sure - what do you suggest I do with them?
See what ghastly camp-followers your abusive emotionalism attracts Nick. She is apparently waiting for you to ask that my views be deleted
Burn the books eh?