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Post by cleefarqhuar on Sept 3, 2014 12:20:40 GMT
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Post by jean on Sept 3, 2014 13:17:00 GMT
Didn't "cleefy" get kicked out of the UKIPs for being too extreme? So rumour has it. Perhaps he'd like to tell us more about that? (And cleefy, you know just posting something in capitals, or bold, or a much larger typeface, doesn't make it true.) |
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Post by marchesarosa on Sept 3, 2014 16:39:54 GMT
My goodness me, how the once dominant PC Tendency do come creeping out of the woodwork in a show of desperate last ditch solidarity.
Sorry, chaps, the tide has turned now and no-one is at all afraid of calling a spade a spade or a prat a prat these days.
Blame it all on UKIP if you like - that's just another example of your self-deception. UKIP reflects the change in political mood. It does not create it.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Sept 3, 2014 18:35:28 GMT
(And cleefy, you know just posting something in capitals, or bold, or a much larger typeface, doesn't make it true.) Doesn't make it false either twit[/quote] As to Ukip, gossip as you will, true or false, it is only gossip and you expose yourself as a perniciously prattling prat of the first order Quite amusing in a disgustingly repellent way  Back to the point of the OP No argument against: as one would expect, just ad hominems from the intellectually feeble God you are so boringly predictable Jean , with your bosom pal Spesh parroting on your shoulder and you pirouetting in step to its mindless screeches |
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Post by jean on Sept 3, 2014 18:44:42 GMT
Cleefy, I didn't say that, you did!
Please re-edit appropriately.
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Post by Naul Puttal on Sept 3, 2014 21:55:42 GMT
Thank you for confirming it! Go on, be the big man and tell all. Just between us. None of the swivel eyed loons'll ever find this place.
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Post by sweetjessicajane on Sept 4, 2014 5:22:40 GMT
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Sept 4, 2014 7:11:00 GMT
That race played a major part in the authorities not acting on these crimes is undoubted. The authorities have said as much. Just as race played its part in allowing the 'trojan horse' in Birmingham and other places as the authorities admitted, just as race played its part in the disgraceful episode of Salman Rushdie, just as race played its part in the disgrace of postal voting, just as race played its part in the hate-preaching of British Imams,just as race plays its part in the British 'Jihadis' sawing off people's heads, just as race played its part in the murder and attempted beheading of Lee Rigby, the human entrails hanging bloodily from London buses and underground trains, the multitude of failed murder attempts for which Pakistani-origin men are in gaol, the total inaction of the authorities in the face of widespread abuse of FGM in this country, the ghettoes to be seen in all British cities The ghastly consequence of 'multiculturalism' in which the Labour Party and the BBC take such pride! |
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Post by Jonjel on Sept 4, 2014 8:30:07 GMT
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Post by sweetjessicajane on Sept 5, 2014 6:09:01 GMT
I have no proof for the following, I can not point to any newspaper article, television programme or scientific research paper to support what I'm about to write.
In this country we believe innocent until proven guilty - but to be accused of racism is to be guilty until you can prove yourself innocent (if you can). e.g. to not get a job because the interviewer was racist - how do you get into someone's mind to prove/disprove an accusation like that?
Also are white people the only race capable of being raciest? Don't other races ever act in a racist way?
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Sept 5, 2014 7:21:06 GMT
In this country we believe innocent until proven guilty - but to be accused of racism is to be guilty until you can prove yourself innocent (if you can). e.g. to not get a job because the interviewer was racist - how do you get into someone's mind to prove/disprove an accusation like that? 'Innocent until proved guilty' applies only to Law Courts considering crimes that have been committed. It is necessary also, that when a crime is committed anyone suspected of that crime must be treated as innocent by institutions such as the press, otherwise any consequent trial may be compromised. (There are recorded gross flagrations of this rule)(The law has also been somewhat muddied and confused by the McPherson definitions of racism tha include incidents that are not a crime, and by a racist incident being defined by any person that considers that incident racist - surely the Catch 22 of the PC world) Now to be a 'racist' is in itself not a crime (although acts that define the racist are generally criminal acts) - a person cannot be charged with racism, but only acts that are recorded in law as racist To call someone a racist may be considered libellous and there are cases where damages have been awarded for such accusations. Any organ , such as a newspaper of an internet Forum board that carries such an accusation is also liable to libel claims, which is why Proboards will generally act when such accusations are reported Also are white people the only race capable of being raciest? Don't other races ever act in a racist way? Not in the eyes of the Law, although sometimes the application of the Law may lend that impression |
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Post by Jonjel on Sept 5, 2014 10:38:58 GMT
I have no proof for the following, I can not point to any newspaper article, television programme or scientific research paper to support what I'm about to write. In this country we believe innocent until proven guilty - but to be accused of racism is to be guilty until you can prove yourself innocent (if you can). e.g. to not get a job because the interviewer was racist - how do you get into someone's mind to prove/disprove an accusation like that? Also are white people the only race capable of being raciest? Don't other races ever act in a racist way? An interesting point SJJ. A few years ago I was doing a job in Leicester in an Asian owned and manned factory. Nice people I will add. They made shoe furniture, buckles and all sorts of other bling. I needed a spare part and the boss came with me in my car to show me the way. We were driving thought one area and he told me to close the windows and lock the doors. 'Why?' was my reaction. and he then said 'Bad area, full of blacks' What he meant was west Indians and despite he being what could be generally described as black he differentiated. So that brought home to me that racism is not just white on black. |
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Post by sweetjessicajane on Sept 5, 2014 14:44:13 GMT
In this country we believe innocent until proven guilty - but to be accused of racism is to be guilty until you can prove yourself innocent (if you can). e.g. to not get a job because the interviewer was racist - how do you get into someone's mind to prove/disprove an accusation like that? 'Innocent until proved guilty' applies only to Law Courts considering crimes that have been committed. It is necessary also, that when a crime is committed anyone suspected of that crime must be treated as innocent by institutions such as the press, otherwise any consequent trial may be compromised. (There are recorded gross flagrations of this rule)(The law has also been somewhat muddied and confused by the McPherson definitions of racism tha include incidents that are not a crime, and by a racist incident being defined by any person that considers that incident racist - surely the Catch 22 of the PC world) Now to be a 'racist' is in itself not a crime (although acts that define the racist are generally criminal acts) - a person cannot be charged with racism, but only acts that are recorded in law as racist To call someone a racist may be considered libellous and there are cases where damages have been awarded for such accusations. Any organ , such as a newspaper of an internet Forum board that carries such an accusation is also liable to libel claims, which is why Proboards will generally act when such accusations are reported Also are white people the only race capable of being raciest? Don't other races ever act in a racist way? Not in the eyes of the Law, although sometimes the application of the Law may lend that impression So could the victims in Rotherham claim they were victims of racially motivate crime -if they did so would the perpetrators face harsher sentencing? |
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Post by jean on Sept 5, 2014 16:27:48 GMT
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Sept 5, 2014 16:56:14 GMT
So could the victims in Rotherham claim they were victims of racially motivate crime -if they did so would the perpetrators face harsher sentencing? An interesting question That the perpetrators have not been so charged (additionally to the rape/grooming charges) may indicate that they were not racially motivated; on the other hand it seems that the 'racial hatred' charges are reluctantly invoked against ethnic minorities (I may be wrong but there are certainly instances when blatant racially aggravated crimes by ethnic minorities have had the 'racist' element disregarded) |
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