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Post by cleefarqhuar on Oct 15, 2014 16:46:45 GMT
Are you sure you were in England and not North West Wales? Yes you're making the mistake common to many English people (who often speak no language other than English - it must be a cultural characteristic) of supposing that those couples you heard conversing together in their mother tongue were not perfectly capable of speaking English as well, Hahahah! What an absurd response to a comment that foreign languages can be heard more often than English in many English towns! Hahahaha! Next time you conduct the experiment, would you care to follow them into a shop or a school, and listen to them there? No I would not you illogical pedantic absurd person! Hahahaha!
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Post by jean on Oct 15, 2014 16:56:01 GMT
Hahahah! What an absurd response to a comment that foreign languages can be heard more often than English in many English towns! Hahahaha! The trouble is, cleefy, that being a monoglot yourself, you clearly fail to understand that the totality of words uttered by the average non-native speaker in this country includes a large proportion of English wherever that is necessary or appropriate. This amount must be added to the amount of English uttered by native speakers when you are attempting to arrive at a total. When you do this, you will find that more English is spoken in most English towns and cities than any other language, even if some of it is spoken in funny foreign accents.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Oct 15, 2014 17:05:48 GMT
Hahahah! What an absurd response to a comment that foreign languages can be heard more often than English in many English towns! Hahahaha! The trouble is, cleefy, that being a monoglot yourself, you clearly fail to understand that the totality of words uttered by the average non-native speaker in this country includes a large proportion of English wherever that is necessary or appropriate. This amount must be added to the amount of English uttered by native speakers when you are attempting to arrive at a total. When you do this, you will find that more English is spoken in most English towns and cities than any other language, even if some of it is spoken in funny foreign accents. Unbelievable.! I could not possibly parody your absurdity more effectively than you do yourself! Hahahaha!
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Post by aqua on Oct 15, 2014 20:02:58 GMT
cleefarquhar - In one of your replies to me you said:
<< Yes all these are amazing But tell me,Aqua, what on earth do they have to do with mass immigration? I suggest they have nothing to do with mass immigration >>
ncs - In one of yours you said:
<< I like your point and agree with it wholeheartedly, I'm happy to say. It's just a shame it has nothing to do with what Nay or I or Marchesa or Skylark are talking about. Start a thread about how racism is a thoroughly bad thing and I have little doubt that none of the above at least will, or do, (or have ever done), disagree in the slightest >>
I’m sorry, I wasn’t clear enough, for either of you.
My point was about the rapidity of the change we’ve been going thru. Civil partnerships and gay marriage were unthinkable even 10 years ago. Most people now - I suggest - either welcome, accept, or have resigned themselves to them in such a short time and with so little controversy that I’m amazed and delighted. Obvious exceptions are cleef and MR.
The immigration that was encouraged - by E Powell particularly - in the early 1960s did arouse vicious feelings in the Brits, not least in time at E Powell’s instigation in the late 60s. But those feelings certainly haven’t got worse, and arguably have got much better, even tho the rate of immigration has increased in recent years.
So most people these days have increasingly got used to change – even rapid change – quite easily. They learn from it, draw strength and enjoyment from it, and adapt to it.
It’s happening all over the world. Not N Korea, perhaps. But China, yes (up to a point) – about a fifth of the world’s population.
UKIP know that Britain has become fundamentally more tolerant and broad-minded, but still see just enough opportunities available to use the fear tactic to dilute, I fear, the centre-left’s commitment to progressive politics.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Oct 15, 2014 20:10:33 GMT
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Post by aqua on Oct 15, 2014 20:40:26 GMT
Surely it would be better for Farage and Cameron to black-up and appear with real black people to demonstrate that if you can’t beat them you may as well join them, as you can't help bumping into them.
And, ‘Morris’ dancing is supposed to have some early link with ‘Moorish’.
And, I once knew a black Morris that came out of the Cowley plant near Cameron's constituency.
What more do you want?
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Post by sweetjessicajane on Oct 16, 2014 16:59:40 GMT
Does anybody know where I can see the EU wording for freedom of movement?
Is it the free movement of people? Or the free movement of labour? Or the free movement of workers?
The reason I ask is this whenever someone says about stopping people coming from other EU countries this "freedom of movement" is quoted.
But somehow I don't think people envisaged that this "freedom of movement" would result in numerous people coming from abroad "on spec" without first obtaining a job and accommodation.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Oct 16, 2014 17:12:08 GMT
Does anybody know where I can see the EU wording for freedom of movement? Is it the free movement of people? Or the free movement of labour? Or the free movement of workers? The reason I ask is this whenever someone says about stopping people coming from other EU countries this "freedom of movement" is quoted. But somehow I don't think people envisaged that this "freedom of movement" would result in numerous people coming from abroad "on spec" without first obtaining a job and accommodation. I will see what I can find SJJ
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Post by sweetjessicajane on Oct 16, 2014 18:45:22 GMT
Does anybody know where I can see the EU wording for freedom of movement? Is it the free movement of people? Or the free movement of labour? Or the free movement of workers? The reason I ask is this whenever someone says about stopping people coming from other EU countries this "freedom of movement" is quoted. But somehow I don't think people envisaged that this "freedom of movement" would result in numerous people coming from abroad "on spec" without first obtaining a job and accommodation. I will see what I can find SJJ Hi Cleefarqhuar Found time to have a search myself europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/l33152_en.htmI hope this is the right document My bolding - if this is the case, why are we housing families and providing NHS treatment?
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Post by aqua on Oct 16, 2014 23:00:39 GMT
Maybe you're not just talking about the EU?
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Oct 17, 2014 13:10:39 GMT
[/quote] As far as use of the NHS is concerned, Britain's NHS has reciprocal arrangements with foreign EU countries to provide services to their Nationals and they do the same for British Nationals. Unfortunately the NHS is not geared to discriminate non-British people and hence they simply do not bother (in general) to reclaim the costs of services supplied to EU foreigners, whereas it seems other EU countries do in fact bill the NHS for treating British patients As far as housing is concerned, LA's have an obligation to provide housing to anyone in the UK irrespective of Nationality. In fact there is no legal obligation for LA's to give them Council Housing but most supinely do so. This explains why 25% of Council Housing in London is occupied by foreigners - an absurd situation
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Post by ncsonde on Oct 17, 2014 14:45:02 GMT
I just hit the wrong bookmark and ended up at the MCL after months, years whatever of not seeing it...In case she's still popping in and out here (she seems to have abandoned her science board, as has everyone else) I must congratulate her on her decisive and almost painful thrashing of those pompous, unbelievably arrogant, almost as incredibly ignorant idiots she's for some reason still bothering to argue with. Exco's display of his utter lack of comprehension of Physics or the nature of such fundamental aspects of our climate as the solar wind, galactic rays, sunspots, or cloud formation would move one to almost feel sorry for the berk, if only he wasn't such an appalling ill-mannered oaf.
Marchesa, you're impressive, as is your hard work - hats off to you.
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Post by jean on Oct 17, 2014 15:20:27 GMT
So why don't you go and argue the point on MCL, instead of fulminating from a safe distance where there's no danger that you'll be replied to?
I grant you that exco is appallingly ill-mannered, but then so is the marchesa. And so are you.
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Post by marchesa/rosa on Oct 17, 2014 17:11:43 GMT
I just hit the wrong bookmark and ended up at the MCL after months, years whatever of not seeing it...In case she's still popping in and out here (she seems to have abandoned her science board, as has everyone else) I must congratulate her on her decisive and almost painful thrashing of those pompous, unbelievably arrogant, almost as incredibly ignorant idiots she's for some reason still bothering to argue with. Exco's display of his utter lack of comprehension of Physics or the nature of such fundamental aspects of our climate as the solar wind, galactic rays, sunspots, or cloud formation would move one to almost feel sorry for the berk, if only he wasn't such an appalling ill-mannered oaf. Marchesa, you're impressive, as is your hard work - hats off to you. Thank you Mister Nic! It keeps the old brain cells ticking over trying to convey the gist of the disputes about climate to the intellectually lower orders. Yes, the INDIRECT "solar" effect of galactic cosmic radiation did rather confuse the poor dear.
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Post by ncsonde on Oct 19, 2014 10:43:57 GMT
So why don't you go and argue the point on MCL, instead of fulminating from a safe distance where there's no danger that you'll be replied to? I'm not on the MCL, and have no wish to be. I don't think so. There are lines. Like the ones you regularly cross.
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