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Post by foreverandeveramen on Oct 15, 2014 15:39:03 GMT
He can't make a "point" for toffee.And when you ask him to clarify or explain he runs away!
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Post by ncsonde on Oct 15, 2014 15:40:14 GMT
An admirably concise encapsulation of the little egg-nest of liberal-left prejudicial doctrines, short-sighted arrogant self-centredness, and blatant economic exploititativeness, that have - predictably and predicted - produced this mess. But it must be slowly sinking in to even people like you by now - by which I mean the bien-pensant middle-class liberal-left governing elite who "planned" all this - that it's all over? Your happy multicultural dirigiste Utopia didn't arrive, and never will? You presume too much, ncs. It will? Soon? The people of Ferguson MO will be so relieved to hear it. Not to mention those of Oldham, Wolverhampton, Rotherham, &c &c &c; or Paris, Stockholm, Copenhagen &c &c &c; or happy little Utopian Buddhist Sri Lanka, Burma, Fiji &c &c &c; and all the happy peace-loving Yugoslavians can all get back together; and what a relief for the Syrians, eh, and the Israellis and Palestinians! Shame about the Good Friday agreement though, that's the only thorn in your soothing balm - McGuinness and Adams will have to find new jobs. |
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Post by ncsonde on Oct 15, 2014 15:44:41 GMT
Listened to Vince Cable the other day extolling the benefits of people coming here - and I accept there maybe some benefits but I can't really see them. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford a house, I'm not on some waiting list for social housing, the family health is fairly OK (touch wood) so NHS waiting lists aren't an immediate issue, but we not rich enough to want cheap nannys, cleaners, gardeners etc. Immigration is rather like a surprise Christmas present, no-one asked if you wanted it, OK it maybe nice but do you really need it! Do you know of any countries that have no immigration? Of people with a distinct and self-definitionally unassimilable culture? Take a look at the new immigration policies of glorious Utopian Sweden for one. |
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Post by Saga Noren on Oct 15, 2014 15:47:27 GMT
Do you know of any countries that have no immigration? Of people with a distinct and self-definitionally unassimilable culture? Take a look at the new immigration policies of glorious Utopian Sweden for one. Be a love and give us a link. |
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Post by ncsonde on Oct 15, 2014 15:48:55 GMT
You presume too much, ncs. Still on the rapid phase .... Haven't you been amazed that in the (very few!) last few years we've seen ... (All in a good way, of course) ...? : Civil partnerships, gay marriages, a dilution of casual sexism and racism in 'everyday commerce'; etc; (still a lot of a way to go, tho, on racism and its proxies in particular). Well, I've been amazed. That it happened in my lifetime. Am glad to have contributed to the tolerance and support, in whatever small way I might've. I like your point and agree with it wholeheartedly, I'm happy to say. It's just a shame it has nothing to do with what Nay or I or Marchesa or Skylark are talking about. Start a thread about how racism is a thoroughly bad thing and I have little doubt that none of the above at least will, or do, (or have ever done), disagree in the slightest. |
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Post by ncsonde on Oct 15, 2014 15:54:30 GMT
Yes all these are amazing But tell me,Aqua, what on earth do they have to do with mass immigration? I suggest they have nothing to do with mass immigration At last! Something that is related to mass immigration But to give aqua's phrase its proper sense, cleefy, you should note that what aqua had observed was a dilution of racism in 'everyday commerce'. This means that as a result of 'mass immigration' (whatever that is), people have become more accepting of the other in their midst rather than less.It doesn't mean that; and it's in any case a non sequitur. |
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Post by ncsonde on Oct 15, 2014 16:02:35 GMT
Of people with a distinct and self-definitionally unassimilable culture? Take a look at the new immigration policies of glorious Utopian Sweden for one. Be a love and give us a link. Dear me, Spesh - am I to understand from this that you wish to engage in some sort of discourse here? I had no idea - I'd assumed from the fact that no one ever responds to anything you say, as you do not to anything they say, that actually you were some sort of senile old toothless greaty-aunty set rocking in the corner and occasionally given wooly jumpers to unpick. Now I see you're merely your own Sooty and Sweep and Matthew Corbett all rolled into one and you might even believe you're amusing - if only we were in the right target age-range. |
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Post by jean on Oct 15, 2014 16:16:15 GMT
I suspect your paraphrasal is missing her actual point entirely... Since she doesn't appear to be about to tell us, I suggest you look at her words and those of mine she was responding to, and see if you can do any better. (My emphasis) My chief objection to this isn't that it's ancecdotal (though of course it is) but that the recognisable distinctions become less observable over time - it suits you to note that the English in Wales are by now pretty indistinguishable from the indigenous inhabitants they live among, and I see no reason to suppose that the same will not happen with more recent arrivals in this country. As for So you think that when cleefy wrote ...English is the least heard language in many towns and cities... only a nitpicking pedant could suppose that he meant ...English is the least heard language in many towns and cities... and that really he meant...well, what? And if he meant whatever paraphrase you are about to provide for us, rather than the words he chose, why do you think he did not say what he meant rather than using such emotive and fear-inducing language instead? |
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Post by ILOVENICKtennisanyone on Oct 15, 2014 16:16:18 GMT
Be a love and give us a link. Dear me, Spesh - am I to understand from this that you wish to engage in some sort of discourse here? I had no idea - I'd assumed from the fact that no one ever responds to anything you say, as you do not to anything they say, that actually you were some sort of senile old toothless greaty-aunty set rocking in the corner and occasionally given wooly jumpers to unpick. Now I see you're merely your own Sooty and Sweep and Matthew Corbett all rolled into one and you might even believe you're amusing - if only we were in the right target age-range. Grumpy trousers had a long shift! He should kick off his boots pour a stiff one and try to relax a wee bit.
And stop making stuff up.
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Post by cleefarqhuar on Oct 15, 2014 16:16:51 GMT
I went into an English town yesterday and made a point of listening to passing conversations. Of 13 couples conversing , 4 were conversing in English
In fact it is to easy to go into many English towns and cities and find more foreign languages spoken than is English. It depends upon the area you visit of course.
Only people with a very weak arguments would seize upon such a statement in an attempt to discredit any criticism of mass immigration
But one becomes use to such cries of outrage in place of sober discussion
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Post by fine and dandy on Oct 15, 2014 16:23:30 GMT
I went into an English town yesterday and made a point of listening to passing conversations. Of 13 couples conversing , 4 were conversing in English In fact it is to easy to go into many English towns and cities and find more foreign languages spoken than is English. It depends upon the area you visit of course. Only people with a very weak arguments would seize upon such a statement in an attempt to discredit any criticism of mass immigration But one becomes use to such cries of outrage in place of sober discussion Well I went into an English town yesterday too and had the exact opposite experience. If only we had some accurate facts. Waves! |
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Post by LadyDiana on Oct 15, 2014 16:26:26 GMT
...English is the least heard language in many towns and cities... and that really he meant...well, what? Barcelona? |
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Post by jean on Oct 15, 2014 16:35:40 GMT
I went into an English town yesterday and made a point of listening to passing conversations. Of 13 couples conversing , 4 were conversing in English... Are you sure you were in England and not North West Wales? But seriously: even if you heard what you thought you heard, you're making the mistake common to many English people (who often speak no language other than English - it must be a cultural characteristic) of supposing that those couples you heard conversing together in their mother tongue were not perfectly capable of speaking English as well, and would do so whenever they engaged with the native population. Next time you conduct the experiment, would you care to follow them into a shop or a school, and listen to them there? |
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Post by WickedWays on Oct 15, 2014 16:36:23 GMT
I bet you were thoroughly pissed off that nobody called you a "racist", yeah?
Must try harder.
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Post by jean on Oct 15, 2014 16:44:19 GMT
Only people with a very weak arguments would seize upon such a statement... Only people with very weak arguments would make such a statement in the first place! |
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